What if selling doesn't have to feel like convincing, and money doesn't have to feel like fighting? In this powerful conversation, Lisa Marie sits down with neuro-resilience specialist Kirstin Carey, who's built multiple six and seven-figure businesses over 30 years, all while healing from two autoimmune conditions and learning that success means nothing if burnout takes over.

Kirstin reveals why your relationship with money was locked in by age seven, how to shift from "convincing" to curiosity in sales, and why the energy you bring to money and sales conversations determines everything. Through raw stories and practical insights, this episode will transform how you think about sales, money flow, and building wealth without burning out.

Key Learning Points

• Money as energy exchange - Your relationship with money is formed by age seven based on the "frequency" you absorbed from those around you
• Why selling feels hard - When you try to convince instead of understand, you create combative energy that clients can feel
• The curiosity shift - Moving from "let me tell you why this is good" to "let me understand what you need" changes everything
• Detached commitment - Being committed to your outcome without being attached to any individual result
• The value conversation - When someone says, "it's too expensive," they're telling you their current value set, not making a judgment about you
• Fighting vs. flowing - Masculine "push" energy vs. feminine "flow" energy in business and money relationships
• The health program story - Real example of how someone's internal value system determines their buying decisions
• Frequency and flow states - How the government spends billions studying flow states and how you can access them

Memorable Quotes

"If selling feels hard, you're doing it wrong." - Kirstin's fundamental principle about sales

"Your relationship with money is pretty much locked in by the time you're seven years old based on how the people around you were relating to money." - The origin of money patterns

"All we want is to be seen, heard, and understood. If you take the position of 'I'm just trying to understand,' it changes the entire frequency of the conversation." - The power of curiosity in sales

"When somebody's telling you something's too expensive, what they're just telling you is where their value set is. That's it." - Reframing price objections

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