Katie and Matt discuss financial advisers, a little scooch of private credit, finance book recommendations, call options on time, expected returns, seating charts, rain creating liquidity, E and S vs. G, the church of capital allocation, the market for corporate control and corporate vs. human life cycles.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katie and Matt discuss the downsides of home ownership, hedge fund managers who had a somewhat disappointing week, Pershing Square USA, the physics of closed-end funds, publicly listed hedge fund firms, the pod shop business, the psychology of investors in non-traded BDCs, the Avis short squeeze, Section 16 short-swing profits and earnings call body language.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katie and Matt discuss bringing children to work, the weather in one corner of Charles de Gaulle airport, an infinite surface for market manipulation, bespoke parametric insurance, the Avis Budget short squeeze (maybe), the meme-stock playbook, SpaceX buying Cursor (maybe), SpaceX buying Tesla (maybe???), dual-class stock, robot armies annihilating each other off the shoulder of Orion, the word “gazumping” and the hedge fund hiring market.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katie and Matt discuss the weather, NewBird AI, Long Blockchain, floating-strike convertible financing, meme AI diversification, dot AI, the meme ETF, public listing option value, shareholder voting, Exxon’s grudges, comptroller trolling, the horrifying sounds of coffee grading, spot vs. futures commodity quality and banks foreclosing on shrimp to eat it.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katie and Matt discuss Satoshi Nakamoto, spotting liars, Katie being a witch, Bill Ackman doing stuff, Universal Music Group, SPARCs, asymmetric derivatives trades, Matt’s dream money management career, doomsday funds, Elon Musk’s big thing, the SpaceX IPO, Grok for bankers, humiliating IPO pitches and some ETF stuff for the ETF fans.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katie and Matt discuss conferences, baby names, private credit redemption requests, liquidity confusion, private credit inflows, Larry Fink’s annual letter, AI taking all the jobs, universal basic index funds, podcasters and fund managers being displaced by AI, shorting the consumer economy, owning everything, the coming SpaceX IPO, lockups, index fast-tracking, a SpaceX treasury company and Elon Musk no longer being amused by 420.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Matt and Katie talk to Boaz Weinstein of Saba Capital Management about his tenders for OBDC II and SREIT, semi-liquid fund liquidity, reflexivity, the lure of permanent capital, private credit NAVs, public vs. private BDC discounts, preserving brand value, volatility laundering, howling at the moon, bowling and, why not, DATs.

You can also watch this episode on YouTube

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Katie and Matt discuss high school quiz bowl, Bill Ackman’s closed-end fund again, the rich history of CEFs trading at a discount, economically attractive places to work, preferred performance fees, private credit vibes, accepting illiquidity for high returns, marking private credit to market, NAV arbitrage, assassination markets, fine print and resistance to innovation.

See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.