In this episode Sarah and Cameron get distracted, discussing smelly people, cottage cheese and whether or not you need friendships to have a happy life. Guest appearance by Betty The Whippet.

Sarah and Cameron look back at life pre-internet, when it was aaaaaall fields round here, nobody locked their doors at night and mental health hadn't been invented. One of them thinks it was brilliant, one thinks it was a bag full of boring. All this and a lot of opinions on Chappell Roan? What's not to love babez?

As a seasoned TV and film actor, Cameron often plays characters with a touch of toxic masculinity. In this episode Sarah asks Cam a series of probing questions about his own take on what it's like to be a man, as well as finding out something about her pal of 35 years which BLOWS HER MIND!

Along with heated discussion about cows who can use tools and how people falling over is never not funny, Sarah and Cam work out when they first realised they were a grown up. Any minute now...

They've been pals since they were teenagers, now in their 50s they're still trying to get the hang of being grown-ups. Sarah's a writer & psychologist, Cameron’s an award-winning actor. Join them for chat, laughs & midlife palaver. Everyone welcome.