In this episode of Memory, Evidence, Change, host Kate speaks with historian Dr. Jake Desai-Newsome, author of Pink Triangle Legacies and founder of the Pink Triangle Legacies Project. Part of the podcast’s Evidence Series, the conversation examines the Nazi persecution of LGBTQ people, the history and meaning of the pink triangle, and the politics of memory that long excluded queer victims from mainstream Holocaust education. Dr. Desai-Newsome reflects on his personal journey into Holocaust studies, the role of silence and activism in shaping historical narratives, and why inclusive remembrance remains essential today.

My journey from atheist to wherever it is, I am now.

Welcome to Memory. Evidence. Change., a podcast that engages a wide range of guests whose lives and work intersect with the fields of Holocaust and genocide studies.

Episodes in this podcast take one of three different formats: “Memory” episodes feature individuals with lived experience related to genocide or mass atrocity. “Evidence” episodes feature academic experts with emerging or establish research projects. And “Change” episodes feature individuals who have worked to implement change in our world.

The Cohen Institute is a nonpartisan entity that aims to advance public understanding of the Holocaust and genocide. Many of our guests have a connection to our events, research division, or other programs. However, the perspectives and opinions of our guests should not be taken as representative of the Institute or College. We engage each guest from a place of genuine curiosity without attempting to endorse or dismiss their views.

Our approach to this podcast is to ask informed questions that can help our listeners better understand the work or perspectives of our guests. Through thoughtful conversation and the sharing of information, we equip listeners with deeper understanding of genocide and other atrocity crimes so that they can better navigate the world around them.

These episodes are produced in partnership with the Keene State College Department of Journalism.