Grant talks to Former ICE Assistant Director for policy Scott Shuchart. Scott served in both DHS as a senior advisor for civil rights during the Obama and first Trump Administrations and as the AD for policy at ICE under Joe Biden.

The two talk about how far ICE and DHS have fallen from their original mission and what Tom Homan is really doing in Minneapolis. PLUS the big question, what it would mean to dismantle ICE, and why Scott says it needs to happen.

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The Department of Justice has released millions of documents, photos and videos from the Epstein Files. Despite it being 6 weeks late and still refusing to publish millions more documents, what was released has some incredibly damning allegations for the president and some of the world's richest, most powerful people.

Grant breaks down the allegations you need to know about, what the DOJ isn't doing about them, and what Congress could do about them.

CONTENT WARNING: descriptions of allegations of abuse and assault are in this episode

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Grant is joined by the Executive Director of TheSteadyState, Steve Cash to talk about the mission of the nearly 400 intelligence and diplomatic community members who turned their experience dealing with authoritarian governments abroad inward.

They talk about where the US is on the road away from democracy, how DHS and ICE have changed into an aggressive, paramilitary force being used against Americans, and what needs to happen to stop it.

LINKS:

The Steady State

The Steady State on Substack

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As the deal to avoid a government shutdown seems likely, Democrats are grappling with what it would mean to continue to allow DHS and ICE to operate the way it has been.

Senators are asking for big changes at ICE, like more body cameras, no masks, and no roving patrols, but the clock is ticking against the deadline to fund the government... and keep their voters' support.

All that is happening as ICE seems to be in full retreat from not ust minnesota but operations around the country as the agency gets a new face to lead them on the ground.

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After the latest fatality at the hands of DHS agents and the second in as many weeks in Minneapolis, ICE, DHS and the Trump Administration have begun to scramble.

Grant breaks down the death of Alex Pretti, what we have to understand about DHS pattern of lying, why the courts and the law still matter, and what it means next for the White House's plans for out-of-control immigration forces.

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Grant talks to David Gans about what we're seeing happen to civil rights and Constitutional rights as ICE continues to occupy Minneapolis.

Gans is the Director of the Human Rights, Civil Rights and Citizenship Program at the Constitutional Accountability Center.

They discuss how ICE is crossing Constitutional lines, is there a way back from that, and how history is repeating itself when it comes to the 14th Amendment and the Civil War.

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Constitutional Accountability Center

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The Department of Justice investigates one of the president's favorite political punching bags. This time it's the head of the Federal Reserve. While the president says he doesn't have any involvement, he's been targeting

Grant explains what the Fed actually is, what the investigation is about, and what Trump's fight with the Fed is about...and why it matters for you.

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Grant talks to Mike Madrid, the former GOP operative, consultant, and now the mind behind The Great Transformation Substack, about the bombing and capture mission in Venezuela, what it means for Latin America, Latino voters in the US, and the US's new position on the global stage.

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