• The Rise of EliteXC - Jared Shaw
    Dec 22 2025

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    Ep 308 The Rise of EliteXC - Jared Shaw

    EliteXC made an incredible run to become an industry power in 2007.

    Joining us to talk about the historic rise is former Vice President of operations is Jared Shaw of the famous Shaw Boxing family.

    Details EliteXC's explosive growth: landing the Showtime deal, debuting in one month with Renzo Gracie vs. Frank Shamrock, pioneering women's MMA on TV with Gina Carano vs. Julie Kedzie (peaking ratings), co-promotions with K-1 and Strikeforce, building Kimbo Slice, and turning profitable in 14 months amid chaos are just a few of the subjects.

    0:00 MMA history podcast intro
    0:32 Joey Venti’s guest introduction
    1:00 interview start
    1:02 current life
    5:04 transitioning from boxing to MMA
    Promoting
    12:20 having a meeting with Showtime
    15:18 UFC 70 was supposed to be on HBO
    16:34 meeting continued with Showtime
    20:21 offered to become vice president of Elite XC
    20:42 cutthroat business of boxing
    21:52 getting the call to start promotion
    23:50 building Elite XC
    26:22 hosting first Elite XC show after 1 month
    29:27 tension behind the scenes
    33:13 Rich Chou’s involvement
    35:04 Jeremy Lappen
    39:39 Renzo Gracie vs Frank Shamrock
    41:19 penny stocks for Elite XC
    42:42 dealings with Frank Shamrock
    44:42 hosting first televised women’s MMA match
    48:38 Julie Kedzie vs Gina Carano peaked ratings
    51:05 selecting ring announcers the Elite XC
    52:42 Sponsors for Elite XC
    54:27 controversial ending in main event
    55:07 co promoting with K1 for K1 Dynamite
    58:39 K1 Dynamite fight card
    1:00:10 promoting K1 on the Fly
    1:02:08 issues with Co promoting events
    1:05:37 pay scale for fighters at Elite XC
    1:08:46 Kimbo Slice vs Tank Abbott
    1:10:03 K1 Dynamite turning into a disaster
    1:14:06 dealings with Scott Coker
    1:16:27 Hosting first ShoXC card with only 16 days
    1:17:13 legitimizing Kimbo Slice as a fighter
    1:19:16 Kimbo Slice vs James Thompson
    1:19:43 dealings with Ted Williams
    1:20:51 rectangle cage design
    1:22:45 running small shows vs big shows
    1:23:46 purchasing Cage Rage
    1:26:04 Cage Rage fighters not coming to Elite XC
    1:28:22 purchasing Icon MMA
    1:33:03 press conference for Elite XC
    1:38:53 wanting Bert Rodgers vs Kimbo Slice
    1:42:02 preview for part 2
    1:43:32 arranging event in Hawaii for Nick Diaz
    1:47:58 interview wrap up
    1:50:28 outro/ closing thoughts

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    1 hr and 54 mins
  • Jesse Taylor BEFORE the UFC
    Dec 15 2025

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    Ep 307 Jesse Taylor BEFORE the UFC

    Jesse Taylor dominated The Ultimate Fighter house, crushed everyone in sight, and was one win away from a UFC contract...
    Then one wild night changed everything.
    In this raw two-part episode, Jesse "JT Money" Taylor pulls no punches: early Team Quest chaos, underground San Diego stories, TUF glory and
    heartbreak, worldwide redemption wars, and some insane behind-the-scenes bombs you've never heard.
    Pure MMA history gold from a true 50-fight veteran.

    0:00 MMA history podcast intro
    0:32 Joey Venti’s guest introduction
    0:56 interview start
    1:06 inspiration watching old UFC
    2:11 meeting Jake Shields and Gilbert Melendez
    3:17 leaving college wrestling behind
    5:22 Antonio McKee and Dan Henderson roll
    6:31 Antonio McKee vs John Smith
    9:15 cancelled bout with Chris Lytle
    10:56 Jesse Taylor vs Robert Sarkozi
    15:55 Jesse Taylor vs Chris Chiasson
    17:30 training at Team Quest
    18:07 Sean Strickland thrown out of Team quest
    21:04 fighting in Tijuana
    22:48 Jesse Taylor vs Jesse Forbes
    24:45 Jesse Taylor vs Jorge Ortiz
    27:35 interactions with Toby Imada
    And Warmachine
    28:16 training with Shawn Tompkins
    30:00 training with Duane Ludwig
    30:56 Jesse Taylor vs Kenny Ento
    34:13 Jesse Taylor vs Matt Major
    35:22 Jesse Taylor vs Jorge Ramirez
    37:08 process getting on TUF
    39:19 Jesse Taylor vs Nick Rossborough
    40:43 living with Mike Dolce
    43:36 Jesse Taylor vs Dante Rivera
    44:43 Jesse Taylor vs Tim Credeur
    45:34 experience living in TUF house
    46:46 thoughts on Rudy Silva
    49:52 Kicked off TUF finale
    53:19 comments made by Rampage Jackson
    55:35 Jesse Taylor vs CB Dolloway
    57:15 relationship with Vinny Magalhães
    57:36 getting cut from the UFC
    59:20 Jesse Taylor vs Drew Fickett
    1:01:22 reason for leaving Team Quest
    1:03:58 Jesse Taylor vs Rico Altamiro
    1:05:18 Jesse Taylor vs Chris Camozzi
    1:07:19 Jesse Taylor vs Dong Sik Yoon
    1:08:46 outro/ closing thoughts

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  • Andy Main TUF to the King Pancrase
    Dec 8 2025

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    Ep 306 Andy Main TUF to the King of Pancrase

    Andy Main is currently a stand out coach at Pure Martial Arts in Rockaway NJ.

    Andy rose through ranks of the regional MMA scene at an incredibly early age… we go in depth with our analyzation of his career.

    From competing on the Ultimate Fighter tv series to winning the King of Pancrase belt, this is a great listen

    Special Thank You to our friend Brian McLaughlin for helping with the research and landing Andy Main for us.

    0:00 MMA history podcast intro
    0:32 Joey Venti’s guest introduction
    1:03 interview start
    1:22 interactions with Jamie Varner
    2:52 Amanda Nunes sparring with Jamie Varner
    4:26 hard sparring sessions
    5:57 longevity in MMA gyms
    8:30 fighting with injuries
    10:10 Andy Main vs Jimmy Rivera
    15:46 thoughts after first loss
    18:23 khabib nurmagomedov training at AMA
    21:19 training khabib nurmagomedov and Amanda Nunes
    24:36 high level fighters from the East Coast
    25:40 Promoter Lou Neglia
    29:07 Andy Main vs Ricky Lee
    31:12 learning to strike as a southpaw
    33:46 Ricky Lee Muay Thai experience
    34:42 Andy Main vs Steve McCabe
    36:13 Andy Main vs Jackson Galka
    37:58 kicked out of Renzo Gracie affiliate gym
    44:32 where issues began with Renzo Gracie
    51:58 being mature at a young age
    54:12 Andy Main vs Lester Caskow
    56:54 tryout for TUF season 12
    58:55 interview for TUF
    1:04:09 feelings living in TUF house
    1:05:58 Andy Main vs Jason Brenton
    1:06:33 reason for not being on GSPs team
    1:07:09 Andy Main vs Kyle Watson
    1:08:41 picked for Josh Koscheck’s team
    1:10:27 thoughts on Andy Main going to TUF
    1:14:53 left off TUF finale
    1:16:40 reason for walking away from AKA
    1:20:30 interactions with Dillon Danis
    1:23:05 interactions with Gordon Ryan
    1:26:09 Dillon Danis vs Logan Paul
    1:29:51 UFC fighter pay
    1:36:55 Jeff Novitzky
    1:38:39 Andy Main vs Bobby Reardanz
    1:45:19 the WMA
    1:49:02 dealings with Alliance MMA
    1:56:19 Andy Main vs Felipe Arantes “controversy”
    1:59:41 Andy Main vs Hioki Aok
    2:02:05 Tattoo issues at Golds gym in Japan
    2:05:54 assumptions of being part of LGBT in Japan
    2:08:56 story from Japan teammates
    2:10:51 interview wrap up/ outro

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    2 hrs and 16 mins
  • War Machine - Ely Prison Career & Controversy
    Dec 1 2025

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    Ep 305 War Machine Jon Koppenhaver Career & Controversy

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    War Machine Jon Koppenhaver interview took place from his living unit at Ely Prison.

    The video / audio is NOT in sync due to the prison security settings NOT allowing voice recording for video visitations.

    War Machine Jon Koppenhaver is a controversial figure whose career started with Ken Shamrock & the Lions Den Gym and eventually moved to Las Vegas to train with some of the best fighters in the world.

    Koppenhaver does not shy away from hard subjects like his relationship with Phil Baroni or problems he experienced outside of the cage.

    You have never heard War Machine speak about the topics that he were addressed in this special interview.

    Ep 305 War Machine Jon Koppenhaver Career & Controversy

    0:00 MMA history podcast intro
    0:33 Disclaimer
    2:40 interview start
    3:08 feedback on Vice documentary
    3:58 beginnings in MMA
    5:07 showing up to Lions Den tryout
    7:10 Vince Pashell throwing a brick at War Machine
    8:45 roommate Erik Del Fierro
    9:15 relationship with Tony Galindo
    10:21 interactions with Bob Shamrock
    11:01 bringing supplements in from Mexico
    12:47 War Machine vs Angle Santibanez
    13:35 experience at Total Combat
    14:46 Richard Dalton
    15:05 training partner Cedric Marks
    16:40 relationship with Lions Den team mates
    18:06 War Machine vs Frank Duffy
    19:08 meeting Phil Baroni
    19:52 training with Matt Hendricks
    20:48 training at Cobra Kai
    21:48 War Machine vs Andrew Ramirez
    22:37 War Machine vs Mike Odonnell
    27:08 process getting on TUF 6
    29:37 living in the TUF house
    30:46 friendship with Mac Danzig
    31:30 issues with Matt Serra
    32:41 Mac Danzig Bird feeder prank
    33:23 how War Machine was portrayed on TUF
    33:56 training experience at TUF
    34:43 manager Matt Stansell stolen money
    35:31 getting a contract for the UFC
    36:18 War Machine vs Jared Rollins TUF finale
    37:47 speaking out against Lloyd Irvin
    40:05 War Machine vs Yoshiyuki Yoshida
    41:39 problems with matchmaker Joe Silva
    43:25 fired from the UFC over Evan Tanner comment
    44:08 relationship with Dana White
    45:20 War Machine vs David Anderson
    47:42 training with Vernon White
    50:01 War Machine vs Guillaume DeLoremzi
    52:12 thought on Phil Baroni’s current situation
    57:17 Julio Bazan Teamate & roommate
    59:07 War Machine vs Timothy Woods
    1:00:25 War Machine vs Erick Montaño
    1:02:00 War Machine vs David Mitchell
    1:03:09 training with Baret Yoshida
    1:04:16 training with Junie Browning
    1:05:01 Shawn Tompkins
    1:06:13 War Machine vs Zach Light
    1:06:36 War Machine vs John Alessio
    1:07:48 surrounded by bad influences
    1:09:20 Ed Ratcliff
    1:09:46 Charlie Kohler
    1:10:03 Christian Vargas
    1:10:19 Miguel Reyes
    1:10:31 canceled bout with Gideon Ray
    1:11:25 friendship with Wade Shipp
    1:12:08 relationship with Mother
    1:13:18 War Machine vs Roger Huerta
    1:15:30 relationship with Sam Kaplan
    1:16:24 2 year lay off due to lock up
    1:17:00 predicting more MMA tragedies
    1:19:05 converting to Christ while in Prison
    1:21:05 walking away from fights in prison
    1:23:07 punched in the face
    1:24:45 War Machine vs Vaughn Anderson
    1:26:09 Tony Galindo Pen*s pump story
    1:27:36 calling Tony Galindo after Ken Shamrock OD
    1:29:16 training with Ashe Bowman
    1:29:33 War Machine vs Ron Keslar
    1:30:52 herniated disc while training
    1:32:06 wanting to get out for Wife and Kids
    1:33:24 message to forme

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    2 hrs and 4 mins
  • Jim Miller BEFORE the UFC w/Brian McLaughlin
    Nov 24 2025

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    Ep 304 Jim Miller BEFORE the UFC w/ Brian McLaughlin

    Jim Miller is on the precipice of becoming the first ever member of the 50 Fights in the UFC.

    Jim Milers journey to the UFC is largely undocumented and with the help of his long time friend and trainer Brian McLaughlin we explore his path within the independent grind.

    Special Thank You to friend of the show Brian McLaughlin for helping out this together.

    Ep 304 Jim Miller BEFORE the UFC

    0:00 MMA history podcast intro
    0:32 Joey Venti’s guest introduction
    1:01 interview start
    2:05 Forced to miss weight against Thigo Alves
    11:44 Interactions with Joe Silva
    14:13 beginnings in MMA
    18:09 story about Jim Millers father
    23:14 Micky Galls original coach
    26:04 thoughts on Cm punk vs Micky Gall
    28:28 Cm punks training camp
    29:21 Jim Miller vs Eddie Fyvie
    33:41 Jim Miller vs Kevin Roddy
    36:31 Kevin Roddy story
    38:15 Watching brother Dan Miller lose a fight
    39:29 Jim Miller vs Ryan Ciotoli
    42:42 Reality Fighting 13 4 man tournament
    45:40 Jim Miller vs Muhsin Corbbrey
    46:48 Johnathon Helwig vs Mike Constantino
    48:12 thoughts on Frankie Edgar
    50:49 Muhsin Corbbrey story before fight
    52:08 Jim Miller vs James Jones
    52:41 Planet Jiu jitsu closing doors week of fight
    54:51 training partner Chris Liguori
    56:57 Jim Miller vs Frankie Edgar
    1:01:23 not returning to Reality fighting
    1:03:28 TUF 5 tryouts
    1:06:29 previous opponents at TUF tryouts
    1:08:41 receiving nick name A10
    1:10:08 not getting into TUF 5
    1:11:03 training at AMA
    1:13:46 Jim Miller vs Al Buck
    1:15:39 Jim Miller vs Anthony Morrison
    1:17:55 Jim Miller vs Nuri Shakir “Weight miss”
    1:23:08 undefeated in welterweight fights
    1:24:31 fighting at different weight classes
    1:29:29 Jim Miller vs Chris Ligori
    1:31:06 Dan Miller vs John Howard
    1:34:40 finishing Chris Ligori
    1:36:21 the “Jim Miller rule”
    1:36:41 AMA fighting training partners
    1:38:38 Jim Miller vs Chris Ligori rematch
    1:41:22 researching Jim Miller
    1:42:51 getting the call from UFC while in IFL
    1:46:06 Jim Miller vs Bart Palaziewski
    1:48:50 fights prior to UFC being in New Jersey
    1:50:55 feelings when receiving call from UFC
    1:54:19 interview wrap up
    1:55:14 outro/closing thoughts

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  • Rafiel Torre RND Table - Media
    Nov 18 2025

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    Ep 303 Rafiel Torre RND Table 2

    Legendary Reporter Jeff Sherwood, Documentary film maker Ed Doty and Referee Larry Landless weigh in on Rafiel Torre.

    The panel was out together to get a look at Rafiel Torre and his appearance from the side of the media.

    Rafiel Torre the person, the competitor and the reporter is an onion with many many layers….

    We hope to do RoundTable discussions once a month for an additional drop, please let up know who you would like to hear from

    Ep 303 Rafiel Torre RND Table 2

    0:00 MMA history podcast intro
    0:32 Joey Venti’s guest introduction
    1:08 interview start
    2:25 Jeff Sherwood start in MMA
    6:51 Ed Doty background in MMA
    8:58 Larry Landless introduction
    11:11 meeting Rafiel Torre
    17:24 Rafiel Torre red flags
    23:25 Kumite in the woods story
    25:46 Frank Dukes kicking speed claims
    26:58 Rafiel Torre lying tactics
    33:14 credibility from the Brazilians
    35:18 early MMA reporting
    38:48 attending MMA events frequently
    42:31 Jay Martinez vs Tito Ortiz
    43:17 Rafiel Torre Lifestyle
    44:00 Rafiel Torre Abilities
    47:22 Rafiel Torre mindset
    48:21 Rafiel Torre vs Ioka Tianuu
    51:00 Bruce Buffer Introduction
    55:05 What Torre paid Tianuu
    1:00:35 Rafiel Torre Creation
    1:05:45 Sherdog Interview
    1:08:47 Torre Partying & Decline
    1:11:30 The Crime
    1:16:14 The Change in Torre
    1:18:02 Torre Social Awareness
    1:21:20 Court Case
    1:25:00 Lessons in Humility
    1:26:00 Interview Difficulties
    1:26:30 Magic in Jail
    1:29:55 Gerald Strebendt
    1:32:30 Torre Sentencing
    1:34:00 wrap up

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    1 hr and 48 mins
  • Ron Waterman Career Deep Dive
    Nov 17 2025

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    Ep 302 Ron Waterman Career Deep Dive

    Ron Waterman stepped out of the classroom as a teacher and made his way into the cage to fight some of the world’s toughest men.

    Ron takes us through his journey that includes legendary manager Phyllis Lee, dealings with Math maker John Perretti and wrestling in the WWE

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    0:00 MMA history podcast intro
    0:32 Joey Venti’s guest introduction
    1:02 interview start
    1:21 current life
    1:50 training with Bas Rutten
    2:54 beginnings in MMA
    4:28 Bas Rutten invitational 1
    4:47 experience with John Perretti
    6:49 Ron Waterman vs Daniel James
    7:46 Ron Waterman vs Joshua Jenkins
    9:02 Ron Waterman vs Matt Asher
    11:51 Ving Tran
    13:16 going back to work after tournament
    14:24 Went to UFC 19 to introduce himself
    16:11 manager Phyllis Lee
    19:44 receiving black belt under Leo Sawyer
    20:47 Nate Marquardt
    25:23 getting the call for UFC 20
    27:46 Ron waterman vs Chris Condo
    30:26 Ron Waterman vs Andre Roberts
    34:34 Ron Waterman vs Tim Lajcik
    39:17 pay for early UFC
    39:32 receiving messages from Eddie Goldman
    40:16 Ron Waterman vs Satoshi Honma
    41:00 trained Shane Carwin for Brock Lesnar fight
    44:20 refusing to sell soul in WWE
    48:31 WWE occult imagery
    49:49 using submissions in fights
    50:58 training with Brendan Schaub
    52:19 Ron Waterman vs Valentijn Overeem
    55:00 experience with Jon Jones
    55:41 relationship with Mark Coleman
    57:14 Ron Waterman vs Jerry Vrbanovich
    59:09 Ron Waterman vs Jun Ishii
    1:00:47 experience with the Yakuza
    1:01:41 Ron Waterman vs Mirco Crocop
    1:04:40 fighters greasing before fights
    1:05:53 Japanese fighters struggling in the US
    1:07:31 Ron Waterman vs Keigo Takamori
    1:10:13 never giving take down points
    1:10:54 Ron Waterman vs Kevin Randleman
    1:14:15 Ron Waterman vs Tsyoshi Kosaka
    1:15:40 cancelled Pancrase event
    1:16:20 Ron Waterman vs Rico Rodriguez
    1:19:11 injuries going into rematch with Rico Rodriguez
    1:21:51 Ron Waterman vs Roger Gracie
    1:24:54 Alternate for at a YAMMA pit fighting event
    1:27:32 interview wrap up/final message
    1:31:20 outro/closing thoughts

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    1 hr and 47 mins
  • Rafiel Torre Roundtable
    Nov 10 2025

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    Ep 301 Rafiel Torre RoundTable

    Gerald Strebendt, Chris Brennan & Eddy Millis joined us to discuss their fallen friend Rafiel Torre

    Stebendt, Brennan & Millis recall their time with Rafiel Torre along with their current day feelings for him.

    The episode is filled with explosive truths, damning lies and fun stories involving Rafiel Torre.

    The RoundTable format is going to reoccur once a month, please tell
    Us who you would like to see on it

    #rafieltorre #joerogan #eddiebravo

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    0:00 MMA history podcast intro
    0:32 Joey Venti’s guest introduction
    1:18 interview start
    2:18 meeting Rafiel Torre
    4:36 emotions listening to Rafiel Torre interview
    5:53 Rafiel Torre affiliations with Chris Brennan
    7:58 Eddy Millis reaction to interview
    12:36 Rafiel Torre stand up
    14:52 landing a journalism job
    18:19 rolling with Chris Brennan
    22:41 James Krause betting scandal
    27:57 Joe Francis being extorted
    30:45 Tapout crew getting screwed out of money
    34:32 Eddie Bravo confronting Rafiel Torre
    36:42 Eddie Bravo K1 match
    37:31 Rafiel Torre living situation
    40:10 Angel Richards/ Life insurance policy
    43:26 going into the Rafiel Torre interview
    46:22 MMA’s first sports journalist
    51:55 Lucas Brennan article
    52:44 airplane incident
    53:17 Wet & Wild fake fight
    59:22 Chris Brennan’s thought after interview
    1:00:38 reason for throwing fake fight
    1:02:16 Rico Rodriguez reaction to Rafiel Torre
    1:06:06 Rafiel Torre potential to be released
    1:06:41 False claims of being Brazilian
    1:07:33 the Rise and fall of Rafiel Torre
    1:09:13 Instructional tapes and T shirts
    1:10:23 being pioneers of the sport
    1:12:25 paying to fight in tournament
    1:13:32 Rafiel Torre backing up Chris Brennan
    1:15:26 Gerald Strebendt BJJ tournament incident
    1:17:16 family gathering after Rafiel Torre arrest
    1:20:00 Angel Richard’s current life
    1:22:13 Brian Richard’s ashes
    1:23:24 Rafiel Torre feelings towards Chris Brennan
    1:24:55 Eddy Millis current thoughts on Rafiel Torre
    1:25:39 Gerald Strebendt thoughts on Rafiel Torre
    1:29:18 interview wrap up
    1:34:29 outro/ closing thoughts

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