People don’t always mean harm, but harm still happens. One of the most common moments is painfully ordinary: you ask a disabled person a question, yet your eyes drift to their friend like they’re the translator. We name that reflex, where it comes from, and what respect looks like when you slow down, make eye contact, and speak to the person who actually owns the answer.

From there we go somewhere many listeners will recognize: church. Why are disabled people so often missing from the room, or quietly pushed to the side once they arrive? We talk about disability inclusion and accessibility beyond ramps and seating. We get into the social barriers, the “separate room” mindset, and the kind of performative inclusion that looks good on the surface but feels demeaning up close. Jenny also shares why public “healing” moments can land as pity, pressure, or a spiritual performance, and what better prayer sounds like when you care about the whole person, not just a condition.

The conversation turns to faith when healing doesn’t happen. Jenny opens up about years of being told she would walk again, the grief and confusion that followed, and the slow shift toward purpose, humility, and a faith that isn’t built on getting everything you want. We also dig into a refreshing approach to Bible study: pick a topic like peace, study what Scripture says across passages, and let honest discussion replace personality-driven recaps. We finish by challenging church credential gatekeeping and asking what it would look like to be led by the Holy Spirit and by example again.

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