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Liminal Living

Liminal Living

By: Dr. Thomas J Rundel
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Welcome to the Liminal Living Podcast, where we dive deep into the realm of liminal spaces—those transitional phases where uncertainty is our companion. I'm your host and curator of conversations, Dr. Tom Rundel, and it's my pleasure to serve as your guide through these uncharted territories. With a doctoral background in spirituality and leadership from Portland Seminary, my research has centered on the spirituality found in the narratives of liminality in the Bible, but I have expanded my research to include other faith traditions and cognitive science. Since our launch in 2023, we've been dedicated to exploring the nuances of dark nights and deconstructions, but our journey expanded to include insights from a diverse array of modern-day thinkers and artists. Through a blend of stories, practices, and perspectives, we provide valuable guidance for fellow travelers navigating their own liminal spaces. So, join us as we embark on this journey and embrace the uncertainty in order to uncover the hidden wisdom that lies within the liminal spaces of life.All rights reserved Christianity Philosophy Social Sciences Spirituality
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  • 138: Matt Tebbe: Reimagining God Beyond Empire Economics: Pt 1
    Oct 1 2025
    • Being in nature and facing challenges is vital.
    • Community support is essential during difficult times.
    • Toxic positivity denies reality; genuine hope acknowledges pain.
    • Pastors often feel powerless in a chaotic world.
    • The need for pastoral care is mutual between pastor and congregation.
    • Navigating political issues in ministry is complex.
    • Moral choices in politics often feel inconsistent.
    • Christian nationalism poses a significant challenge to faith.
    • Capitalism influences our understanding of God.
    • We must imagine God beyond economic systems. Self-interest governs the market, but it conflicts with the Kingdom of God.
    • The Kingdom of God operates on grace, not merit.
    • Christianity has been co-opted by capitalism in America.
    • The Enlightenment shifted God from the material to the immaterial.
    • Debt relief is a biblical principle that many Christians overlook.
    • Christian nationalism often distorts the true message of the Gospel.
    • Freedom and supremacy are often conflated in religious contexts.
    • Naming systemic issues is crucial for spiritual growth.
    • Experiments against mammon can lead to meaningful change.
    • Community practices can reclaim time and challenge capitalist norms.

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    58 mins
  • 137: Tori Owens & Jonathan Foster: Rooting God in the Human Experience
    Sep 24 2025

    takeaways

    • Tori Owens and Jonathan Foster discuss their experiences with open and relational theology.
    • The definition of love is explored as a non-violent, non-scapegoating energy.
    • Personal stories play a crucial role in understanding authority within the church.
    • God assumptions can shape our emotional well-being and spirituality.
    • Reimagining God in modern contexts is essential for spiritual growth.
    • Emotional well-being is tied to our understanding of God and how we relate to others.
    • Integrating new understandings of God requires practical steps in daily life.
    • Listening to our bodies can provide insights into our emotional state and spirituality.
    • Acting our way into new ways of thinking is more effective than merely changing our thoughts.
    • The conversation emphasizes the importance of love-centric theology over power-centric theology.

    Links:

    Links: Jonathans many links: https://www.jonathanfosteronline.com/

    Tori's Substack: https://toriowens.substack.com/

    Sponsors
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    1 hr and 6 mins
  • 136: Matt Alexander: Reimagining God After Burnout
    Sep 17 2025

    takeaways

    • Ministry leadership is inherently difficult and often leads to burnout.
    • Burnout can stem from vocational disappointment and unmet expectations.
    • Relational injuries within ministry contexts are common and can be deeply impactful.
    • Pastors often neglect their emotional health, leading to unregulated emotions.
    • It's essential for pastors to have friendships outside their congregations.
    • The Kineo Center provides support for pastors experiencing burnout.
    • Naming and addressing emotions is crucial for mental health.
    • Internalized expectations can distort a pastor's sense of self.
    • Navigating change in ministry requires awareness of relational dynamics.
    • Creating space for lament in church settings is important for emotional health.

    Links:
    The Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/
    The Quiz: https://www.thekineocenter.com/burnoutprevention

    Sponsors
    Quoir Square 2 Class: https://www.bk2sq1.com/square-2-next-steps-into-reconstruction (Promo code: Liminal for 10% off)

    Kineo Center: https://www.thekineocenter.com/cohort (mention "Liminal" in Application for $100 off)

    Monk Manual: https://monkmanual.com/LIMINAL (10% off all merchandise)

    Connect
    Find us on the web: https://liminalliving.simplecast.com/

    Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/liminalliving

    Follow us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCseqDsKpQv2r7AbFfrWF0ow

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    1 hr and 13 mins
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