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Legwork

Legwork

By: Bakline Running
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Legwork is a podcast that celebrates the unseen efforts that keep the sport of running moving forward. We go behind the scenes with club leaders, race directors, and running community organizers to uncover the work that keeps us on the roads and trails. We talk to coaches to understand the evolving science of how we train, and we recognize the effort built into all the miles that come before we lace up for the starting line. What matters isn’t always visible. Explore what lies beyond the shortcuts.Bakline Running Running & Jogging
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  • 04 - Mastering and Applying Heat Training Protocols for Runners
    Aug 12 2025

    A practical guide to heat training for endurance runners —why it works, the science behind it, and how to apply protocols to boost performance year-round.

    Most non-elite endurance athletes are leaving performance gains on the table. Heat training—often dismissed as something you only do before a hot race—is one of the most misunderstood and underutilized tools in the sport. Done right, it can boost cardiovascular capacity, improve recovery, and prepare you to train harder for longer—no matter the conditions on race day.

    In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly explore the overlooked benefits and surprising versatility of heat training. Through stories from their own racing and coaching, they show how it can be more than a summer survival skill—it’s a year-round performance weapon hiding in plain sight.


    Episode Description

    This episode is your practical, research-backed guide to heat training—covering nearly everything an endurance athlete needs to know to apply it effectively and safely.

    Matt and Molly break down the most up-to-date science on how heat affects performance, the physiological adaptations you’re aiming for, and the three proven methods to achieve them:

    • Training in hot environments to closely mimic race conditions
    • Layering to simulate heat when the weather won’t cooperate
    • Passive post-workout heat exposure like saunas or hot-water immersion

    They explain how to choose the right method for your situation—or make the most of the method you have available—and how to time it so benefits carry through to your race. You’ll also learn how long adaptations last, how to maintain them, and what to watch for in hydration, fueling, and recovery to avoid setbacks. Whether your target race is hot, cool, or somewhere in between, this episode gives you the tools to use heat training with precision—and see results when it matters most.


    Here are the chapters of this episode. Transcript is attached. We would also usually have a top 4 or 5 take aways.


    Comprehensive show notes and links to referenced studies can be found on Bakline’s Legwork Episode Page: https://www.bakline.nyc/blogs/legwork/04-everything-an-endurance-athlete-needs-to-know-about-heat-training


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Heat Training and Personal Experiences Driving Our Understanding

    05:49 The Primary Studies We Reviewed In Preparation For Our Heat Training Episode

    08:05 Major Reasons Why You Should Care About Heat Training

    12:42 Why Running In The Heat Is Challenging

    20:21 Anecdotal Experience with Heat Training In Recent Ultra Performances

    23:28 The Three Heat Training Methods We Cover and General Physiological Benefits of Heat Training

    28:32 Thermal Regulation and Adaptations

    31:12 Protocol by Protocol Analysis

    32:53 Protocol 1: Training In A Hot Environment

    46:06 Protocol 2: Adding Layers to Augment Heat of The Natural Environment

    01:06:39 Protocol 3: Hot Dry Sauna and Hot Water Immersion (HWI) - Actual Implementation Steps

    01:10:48 Protocol 3: Hot Sauna Benefits and Considerations

    01:14:17 Protocol 3: How Water Immersion (HWI) Benefits and Considerations

    01:19:35 Maintaining Heat Training Adaptations

    01:22:56 Timing and Strategy for Heat Training

    01:27:20 Safety Considerations When Heat Training


    Top 5 Takeaways

    1. Heat training is underutilized by most non-elite athletes—and can deliver benefits year-round, not just for hot races.
    2. Three general methods to consider, some with higher efficacy than others but all can practically aid you: hot-environment training, layering to simulate heat, and passive heat exposure post-workout.
    3. Core adaptations include increased plasma volume, earlier/more efficient sweating, electrolyte conservation, and lower core temperature.
    4. Adaptations fade quickly—often within two weeks without exposure—but can be restored in as little as two days.
    5. Safety is critical: hydrate before and after, adjust fueling for greater glycogen use, and be aware of individual risks like anemia.
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    1 hr and 36 mins
  • 03 - Why Women Coaches Still Struggle — and What WeCOACH Is Doing About It (with Vanessa Fuchs)
    Aug 5 2025

    Title IX changed the game—but it also came with a cost.

    In this episode of Legwork, we sit down with Vanessa Fuchs, CEO of WeCOACH, to unpack why the number of women in coaching roles plummeted after the passage of Title IX, particularly in running sports like cross country and track—and how WeCOACH is working to reverse that trend. From the impact of mentorship and representation to the systemic challenges of burnout, pay inequity, and gender bias, Vanessa brings both candor and clarity to one of the most important topics in sport today.

    Whether you're a coach, athlete, parent, or simply someone who cares about the future of women's sports, this conversation is a call to action. Learn what’s working, where we’re falling short, and why supporting women in coaching isn’t just good policy—it’s essential for the health and future of the game.


    Episode Description

    What does it really mean to be a coach today—especially as a woman?

    For many athletes, coaches are more than technical instructors. They are the emotional anchor, trusted adult, and all-hours problem-solver who helps athletes navigate academics, life transitions, and personal struggles. In this conversation, Vanessa Fuchs, CEO of WeCOACH, joins Matt and Molly to talk candidly about the immense load women coaches often carry—especially in year-round sports like track and cross country—and the lack of structural support that leads far too many to burnout or exit the profession altogether.

    This episode also unpacks the ripple effects of Title IX—from declining numbers of women coaches to deeply ingrained hiring patterns and gender-based leadership expectations. Vanessa shares how WeCOACH is building a sustainable pipeline through programs like WeMENTOR, WeELEVATE, and WeASPIRE, all backed by research on where and why women are most likely to drop out of coaching careers.

    We also discuss how women’s sports are covered in the media, the subtle (and not-so-subtle) gender biases that shape how leadership styles are perceived, and how recent changes in NCAA policy could impact the future of Olympic and non-revenue sports. Through it all, Vanessa offers both data and personal insight—showing what it will take to not just recruit more women into coaching, but actually keep them there.


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to WeCoach and Vanessa Fuchs

    05:34 The Impact of Title IX on Women in Coaching

    08:29 The Importance of Female Role Models in Sports

    10:56 Vanessa's Personal Experience With Mentorship

    13:08 Barriers to Representation in Coaching

    15:28 WeCoach's Mission, Growth, and the Triad Mentorship Model

    22:00 Gender Bias in Coaching Styles

    24:01 Media Representation of Women in Sports

    27:16 Recruiting and Retaining Female Coaches Particularly In Running

    35:57 Managing Burnout and Mental Health Against Persistent Barriers

    41:23 Exploring NCAA Divisions and Coaching Opportunities

    42:20 Engaging the Community in Advancing the WeCOACH Mission

    47:21 Proud Accomplishments at WeCOACH

    53:03 Hope and Progress in Women's Coaching and Impact of the Tucker Center Report Card

    55:48 Impact of NCAA Changes on Women's Sports

    59:40 The Growing Spotlight on Women's Sports


    Top 5 Takeaways

    1. Title IX’s unintended consequence: While it opened doors for female athletes, it also led to a sharp decline in women coaching women's teams—dropping from 90% to around 41%.

    2. Representation matters early: Girls drop out of sports at twice the rate of boys by age 14. Having female coaches helps girls stay engaged, confident, and supported.

    3. Coaching is full-spectrum labor: Coaches are often the only consistent adult in a student-athlete’s life—managing not just performance, but emotional, academic, and life challenges.

    4. Bias still shapes perception: Assertive leadership by women is often mischaracterized or penalized in ways that men aren’t.

    5. Change is happening—but needs help: Programs like WeMENTOR and WeASPIRE are helping reverse trends, but support from fans, schools, and peers is critical to sustain momentum.

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    1 hr and 12 mins
  • 02 - How To Evaluate And Modify A Run Training Plan To Fit Your Needs
    Jul 29 2025

    In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly go beyond the numbers to unpack what makes a training plan actually work—and why most of them miss the mark for the average runner. Built as a companion to our in-depth blog series on the Bakline site, this episode is a practical and honest guide to evaluating your plan, understanding the purpose behind workouts, and making modifications that are both smart and sustainable. Whether you’re a first-time half-marathoner or a seasoned marathoner chasing a PR, this conversation gives you the tools to stop blindly following plans and start training with intention.


    We also introduce a four-step framework that anchors the episode: assess the course, evaluate your current fitness (and physiology), build the right mileage and long run structure, and then add intensity with purpose. Along the way, we tackle misunderstood concepts like the 80/20 rule, threshold training, and why “advanced” doesn’t always mean “faster.” From injury prevention to long run strategy, fast-twitch vs. slow-twitch muscle types to recovery timing, this episode is loaded with practical examples, real coaching insight, and lessons we’ve learned the hard way. The full chapter list is below—so feel free to jump around, but we think it’s worth the full listen.


    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to Matt + Molly As Coaches and The Perspectives They Bring

    05:35 Understanding Training Plans Generally and Their Importance

    08:59 Who this episode is for? (Hint: almost anyone can get something out of this)

    12:18 Understanding The Objective of The Workout, Not Just The Numbers

    13:24 Why Most Off The Shelf Plans Let You Down, And Why The Ability To Evaluate Your Plan Is Critical To Being a Better Athlete

    20:41 General Types of Modifications You Can Make Once You Have Evaluated Your Pln

    29:32 Four Key Steps: Assessing the Course, Honestly Understanding Yourself, Determine Overall Mileage, and Add Intensity

    31:03 Step 1: Assessing the Course

    39:13 Step 2: Honestly Understanding Yourself and Assessing Your Current Fitness

    49:24 Muscle Fiber Types, Determining How You Might Skew (Fast or Slow Twitch) and Considering That In Your Training Plan Construction

    59:12 Step 3: Determining Overall Mileage and Your Long Run

    01:01:39 Incorrect Workout Execution Could Lead to Perception of an Incorrect Plan (And Injury)

    01:05:43 The 80/20 Rule. Why We Think It Is A Good Rule Of Thumb (Even Though We Don't Like Most Rules of Thumb) And Importance Of Easy Miles

    01:10:21 Two Major Levers To Pull That Increase Volume: Frequency (More Days) and Duration (Longer Runs)

    01:16:40 Long Run Considerations and Progression

    01:17:41 Adding In The Long Run: How Many, How Long, And What % of The Week It Should Be

    01:29:50 Step 4: Adding Intensity (The 20%), Key Terminology And Understanding Your Threshold Pace

    01:35:29 Digging Into Types of Intensity To Consider In Your Plan

    01:38:23 Coming Full Circle To That 80/20 Rule - Brining It All Together

    01:42:22 Use Case #1: Illustrating How We Get To 20%

    01:46:03 Use Case #2: Catching When an A Workout Does Not Make Sense

    01:47:15 Summary And Key Takeaways

    01:53:07 Looking Ahead To Part Two Of This Podcast: Specific Workouts


    Top 4 Takeaways

    1. Your Training Plan Wasn’t Written for You—So Make It Yours

    Most plans are generic. If you're not adjusting for your race, fitness, and schedule, you're following someone else’s roadmap.

    2. Understanding the Why Beats Hitting the Pace

    Don’t just follow numbers—know the goal. When you understand what threshold feels like, you can adapt without derailing your training.

    3. It’s Not Just Mileage—It’s the Ratio That Matters

    The 80/20 rule works. Most of your weekly volume should be easy. Going too hard too often—even on low mileage—can set you back. We're ready to debate those who say otherwise.

    4. Know How You’re Wired (Fast Twitch? Slow Twitch?)

    Your physiology matters. Fast-twitch athletes fatigue and recover differently. Smart plans account for those differences.

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    2 hrs
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