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Legwork

Legwork

By: Bakline Running
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Legwork is a podcast that celebrates the unseen efforts that keep the sport of running moving forward. We go behind the scenes with club leaders, race directors, and running community organizers to uncover the work that keeps us on the roads and trails. We talk to coaches to understand the evolving science of how we train, and we recognize the effort built into all the miles that come before we lace up for the starting line. What matters isn’t always visible. Explore what lies beyond the shortcuts.Bakline Running Running & Jogging
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  • 07 - Fuel Smarter: Understanding How Nutrition Works in Training and Racing
    Oct 10 2025

    A practical framework for fueling that explores the history and science of race nutrition to help you understand the products on the shelf, turning confusion into confidence.

    It starts with a wall of brightly colored gels and drink mixes, each promising endurance in a pouch. Runners swear by their favorites, but few can explain why they work—or don’t. Matt and Molly pull back the curtain on the science and history behind those packets, turning a maze of sugar ratios, salt counts, and gut grumbles into something you can actually understand. They examine why some products seem to love you while others ruin your race, practically breaking down the make up of different products out there, and what the science actually says about how our bodies use all this stuff.


    Episode Description:

    In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly take on one of running’s most confusing topics: fueling. They trace how we went from ancient “performance foods” to modern gels and drink mixes, and why understanding what’s inside those packets can make all the difference.

    Together, they cover:

    • How fueling evolved from ancient rituals to modern sports science

    • The difference between energy systems — carbs, fats, and how the body actually uses them

    • What “isotonic,” “hypertonic,” and “2:1 ratios” really mean, and how those formulas affect absorption and gut comfort

    • Why some products upset your stomach while others don’t

    • How to approach carb loading and in-race fueling more strategically

    • The myths and mistakes that keep runners underfueled

    • And how to navigate the wall of options on the shelf with more confidence

    Along the way, they share personal fueling mishaps (including Matt’s maple syrup era), laugh through gut science, and translate complex research into clear, practical insight.

    Whether you’re training for your first half marathon or trying to shave minutes off a PR, this episode will help you understand what your body needs — and fuel smarter for whatever’s next.

    Fuel Selector Google Sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u7Rh8LWrgB_9B3kKKpKMwTEnqXyRcc0js1UYw4vwTCg/edit?usp=sharing

    Chapter List:

    00:00 Introduction, Matt's Fueling Eras, and Why This Episode Matters

    09:08 Agenda for the Episode

    10:00 Historical Perspectives on Nutrition and Performance

    16:09 The Evolution of Sports Training and Nutrition

    20:06 Understanding Energy Systems: Carbs

    29:22 Understanding Energy Systems: Fats

    40:15 The Impact of Carbohydrates on Performance

    47:07 Understanding How Nutrition Products Incorporate What We Know Of These Energy Systems Into Their Formulas

    49:27 Understanding Sugar Ratios in Sports Nutrition

    55:21 Isotonic vs Hypertonic Fuels: What You Need to Know

    01:04:49 Carbohydrate Requirements for Endurance Events

    01:13:17 The Importance of Carb Loading Before Races

    01:28:03 Troubleshooting Nutrition Issues During Races


    References:

    1. Currell K, Jeukendrup AE. Superior endurance performance with ingestion of multiple transportable carbohydrates. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2008 Feb;40(2):275-81. doi: 10.1249/mss.0b013e31815adf19. PMID: 18202575.

    2. Sedlock DA. The latest on carbohydrate loading: a practical approach. Curr Sports Med Rep. 2008 Jul-Aug;7(4):209-13. doi: 10.1249/JSR.0b013e31817ef9cb. PMID: 18607222.

    3. Arnall, D.A., A.G. Nelson, J. Quigley, et al. Supercompensated glycogen loads persist 5 days in resting trained cyclists. Eur. J. Appl. Physiol. 99:251Y256, 2007.

    4. Jeukendrup, A.E. Training the Gut for Athletes. Sports Med 47 (Suppl 1), 101–110 (2017). https://doi.org/10.1007/s40279-017-0690-6

    5. W Larry Kenney,Jack H Wilmore,David L Costill. Physiology of Sport and Exercise 8th Edition s


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    1 hr and 33 mins
  • 06 - Why the JFK 50 Ultramarathon Endures and Inspires Generations with Mike Spinnler
    Sep 23 2025

    More than America’s oldest ultramarathon, the JFK 50 endures because of the kindness, community, and love that Mike Spinnler has nurtured across generations.


    Most races don’t last six decades. Every November, the JFK 50 unfolds across the Appalachian Trail, a canal towpath, and country roads as a 50-mile test that has become the oldest continuously running ultramarathon in the United States. But what makes it endure isn’t just the course or its history. It’s the people who return year after year, the community that shows up in droves to ensure this race will not quit, and the race director who has quietly shaped it for more than three decades as only the second in its history.


    Mike Spinnler has been at the heart of the JFK 50 as runner, champion, and steward, carrying forward a tradition that continues to inspire generations. He is, in many ways, the archetype of a role model. In this conversation, we reflect on how the course has shaped the athletes who run it, the volunteers who support it, and the man who has devoted his life to directing it.


    Episode Description:

    In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly sit down with Mike Spinnler, race director of the JFK 50, the oldest continuously run ultramarathon in the United States. They explore how the race has endured for more than 60 years — and why it continues to inspire across generations.


    Together, they cover:

    • Mike’s journey from 12-year-old participant to champion, and eventually to race director

    • The stewardship lessons he learned from Buzz Sawyer and Greg Shank, and how he carries their legacy forward

    • How kindness, community, and love have shaped the race as much as rules, permits, and logistics

    • The role of volunteers, families, and local communities in sustaining the JFK 50

    • The balance between tradition and change — from aid stations and cutoffs to super shoes and evolving strategies

    • The challenges of race directing: from financial risk to government shutdowns, blizzards, and even the Beltway sniper

    • What inspires Mike personally, and how he knows, without any doubt, the JFK 50 will thrive long after he steps aside

    Whether you’re a seasoned ultrarunner, a first-time marathoner, or someone who simply cares about what makes communities strong, this episode offers an inside look at why the JFK 50 is more than just a race — it’s a living legacy.


    Chapter List

    00:00 Introduction to JFK 50 and Mike Spinnler Journey

    08:51 Mike's Early Running Experiences and Influences

    13:52 Transitioning to Competitive Running, And Winning the JFK50

    23:47 Becoming the Race Director of JFK 50, And How Having the Best Partner Helps

    30:39 How the JFK Keeps Going

    35:58 The Importance of a Team Behind You And Delegation

    39:13 Resilience and Persistence in the Face of Persistent and Resilient Challenges

    42:56 Navigating Change and Tradition

    45:33 The Role of Aid Stations in Leveling The Playing Field

    53:58 The Famous 3 x 10m Marathon Paced (In a Day) Workout

    01:00:57 Approaching Mike's Directing of the JFK50 More As A Coach Than An Administrator

    01:05:10 Impact of Shoe Technology

    01:06:52 Weaverton Cliffs And Watching Your Step

    01:08:10 Navigating the Appalachian Trail

    01:10:09 The Magic Of JFK50 Aid Stations And Volunteer Community

    01:18:02 Advice for New Runners of the JFK50

    01:24:37 For Mike, the JFK50 is like Christmas Morning And He's Excited To See What Will Happen

    01:27:09 Supporting Runners Through ALL Paces, Not Just The Leaders

    01:30:00 The Personal Impact of Race Directing And The Obligation Mike Feels To Those That Have Not Experienced The Race

    01:35:08 Spontaneous Selflessness and Humanity Is All Around

    01:39:38 Reflecting On How JFK50 Has Changed Him, The Power of Sports, And Giving Back

    01:48:38 Advice Time: The Inside Tips On A Successful JFK50

    02:02:23 Final Reflections

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    2 hrs and 5 mins
  • 05 - The When, How, And Why of Hiring A Running Coach
    Sep 2 2025

    A practical guide to hiring a running coach — when to seek one, how to choose and work with one confidently, and why they can make all the difference.

    Most runners think about hiring a coach only when they’re chasing a big PR or a major race. But the reality is that coaching isn’t just for elites, and it isn’t just about getting faster. The right coach at the right time can help you break through plateaus, return from setbacks with confidence, or simply take the decision fatigue out of training. And while coaching can be transformative, not every coach–athlete match works—knowing what to look for (and what to avoid) can make all the difference.

    Episode Description

    In this episode of Legwork, Matt and Molly take a practical look at the when, how, and why of hiring a running coach. Drawing on their own experiences as athletes and coaches, they explore what makes the coaching relationship truly valuable beyond the plan itself—and how runners can get the most out of it.

    They walk through the key parts of the process:

    • Why runners hire coaches — from chasing performance goals to wanting structure, support, or accountability

    • Common barriers to hiring — cost, feeling like you're not worthy of coaching or that you need to be faster, or the social elements of running with a club or with your friends (all of which a good coach can help you manage and feel confident)

    • What coaches can (and can’t) do — from individualized plans and race strategy to dispelling myths about gait analysis (which really can't be done visually) or “magic workouts”

    • How to evaluate a coach — key questions to ask, understanding certifications, and exploring what experience they have with people like you

    • How to be coachable — building trust, communicating openly, and knowing when it might be time to move on

    • Red flags to watch for — warning signs that a coaching relationship may not be the right fit

    Whether you’re considering coaching for the first time, thinking about switching coaches, or simply looking to get more from the relationship you already have, this episode gives you the tools to approach coaching with clarity and confidence.

    Chapters

    00:00 Our First Interaction With A Coach in High School

    06:18 The Why, When, and How of Finding A Coach - Our Agenda

    07:59 All The Reasons Runners Might Hire A Coach - Good And Bad

    16:47 Primary Drivers Behind What Prevents us or is a Barrier to Hiring a Coach

    26:11 How Coaches Can Help Athletes

    33:31 Coaching Can Help In Understanding How Running Should Feel And Integrating Strength

    39:40 The Role of Coaches in Race Planning

    41:37 Setting Expectations: Things Coaches Can't Do (Like Visual Gait Analysis)

    51:17 Setting Expectations: There is No Magic Workout or Secret Sauce

    53:50 Communicating What We Want and Need Out of Coaching

    01:04:48 Questions You Should Ask A Potential Coach

    01:10:35 Evaluating Coach Qualifications and Certifications

    01:22:47 How to Be A Coachable Athlete

    01:33:38 Identifying Red Flags in Coaching Relationships

    01:42:54 When It Might Be Time To Leave A Coach


    Key Takeaways

    • Coaching is about more than a plan. An individualized workout schedule is the bare minimum. The true value comes from problem-solving and helping athletes maximize training around the realities of life.

    • Know your reasons for hiring a coach. Performance goals, structure, accountability, or breaking plateaus are all valid motivations—but intrinsic motivation matters most.

    • Set realistic expectations. Coaches can’t provide magic workouts or fix biomechanics with a glance. What they can do is help you train smarter.

    • Evaluate both sides of the relationship. Ask potential coaches about their philosophy, experience with athletes like you, and how they stay current. Be honest with yourself about what you need.

    • Watch for red flags and know when to move on. Signs include coaches who don’t listen, insist on absolutes (“everyone must run 180 cadence”), take credit for your success but dodge responsibility for setbacks.

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    1 hr and 49 mins
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