Winston Churchill and Charles de Gaulle are two of the most impactful figures in world history during the 20th century. On this week's “Leaders and Legends” podcast, we interview Richard Vinen about his dual study of two statesmen who rallied their countries, their countrymen, and whose influence redounds to this day.

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The “Leaders and Legends” podcast journey through our country’s 250th anniversary continues with the brilliant and award-winning author Edward Larson. His book “Declaring Independence: Why 1776 Matters” is a tour-de-force study of why & how the colonists and the Founding Fathers pledged each other “their sacred honor.”

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DuJuan McCoy, Owner, President and CEO of Circle City Broadcasting, sits down for an exclusive one-hour interview on the $83 million acquisition of WRTV-ABC Indianapolis and what it means for local journalism in Indiana. Circle City Broadcasting, an Indianapolis-based company, owns WISH-TV, WNDY, and WRTV-ABC in Indianapolis.

McCoy addresses the social media backlash that followed the deal, explains why the FCC granted a historic waiver allowing him to own three full-power television stations in a single market, and pushes back on critics who have framed the transaction as another round of newsroom cuts. He argues the opposite: Circle City Broadcasting has a documented record of adding news operations at every station it has acquired, and he intends to expand investigative reporting, grow the morning show, and increase local digital content across both WISH-TV and WRTV.

The conversation also covers the broader forces reshaping broadcast media, including the threat from streaming platforms, the erosion of advertising revenue to Google and Meta, and why McCoy believes strategic mergers and acquisitions are the only viable path to keeping local television stations solvent and independent. McCoy also discusses the importance of journalists adapting to digital platforms, his approach to retaining top talent in the Indianapolis market, and what he expects Circle City Broadcasting to look like in the years ahead.

Leaders and Legends is hosted by Veteran Strategies President and CEO Robert Vane and is part of the All INdiana Podcast Network. Find every episode at wishtv.com/podcasts/leaders-and-legends.

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