What if leadership isn’t about arriving… but about continuing?

In this special return to The Shadows Podcast, Bodhi sits down once again with retired Chief Master Sergeant and author Joe Bogdan to explore his new book, Better Has No Finish Line: Waypoints on the Lifelong Pursuit of Self-Mastery and Leadership. Rather than offering quick fixes or leadership formulas, this conversation digs into the uncomfortable, often unseen work of growth—reflection, humility, ownership, and identity.

Together, they unpack why true leadership is forged through pressure, why progress matters more than perfection, and why some of the most meaningful growth happens at waypoints we never planned to stop at. Joe shares hard-earned lessons from his military and post-service journey, including the cost of unexamined success, the danger of chasing rank or position without purpose, and how empathy and emotional intelligence transformed the way he leads.

This episode isn’t about having all the answers. It’s about asking better questions:

• What is your brand when you walk into a room?

• What is it really like to be on the other side of you?

• Are you growing… or just moving?

If you’re a leader, an emerging leader, or someone navigating a season of feeling stuck, this conversation will challenge you to rethink progress, redefine success, and embrace the idea that better has no finish line.

🎙️ Listen with intention. Reflect honestly. Keep going.

Website: www.waypointbetter.com
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