Episodes

  • Schmoozing the FAQs: Handling Difficult Workplace Situations
    Mar 17 2026

    In this episode of Iron and Empathy, host Drew Moldenhauer is joined by Rich Webb to answer listener questions about workplace safety, de-escalation, and communication during difficult situations. Drawing from their law enforcement backgrounds and training experience, they discuss how leaders and frontline employees can respond when concerns arise about weapons in the workplace, how to handle statements of self-harm after a termination, and how to manage highly emotional interactions with upset customers.

    The conversation highlights practical communication strategies such as self-regulation, active listening, mirroring, and strategic agreement to help defuse tense interactions. They also stress the importance of early intervention during potential crises and the need for clear, plain-language messaging during emergency situations so employees understand exactly what is happening and how to respond.

    Reach out to Drew Moldenhauer and Rich Webb at Blue-Ethos.

    Takeaways

    • Assess workplace safety concerns by considering the totality of the circumstances, including policies, behavior, and potential red flags.
    • Take statements about self-harm seriously and consider early intervention by contacting emergency services if necessary.
    • Use self-regulation and active listening to help de-escalate tense interactions with upset employees or customers.
    • Practical techniques like strategic agreement and mirroring can quickly diffuse emotional situations and build trust.
    • During emergencies, use clear, plain language communication so employees understand both the threat and the actions they should take.

    Keywords

    workplace safety, de-escalation techniques, crisis communication, workplace violence prevention, employee conflict management, active threat preparedness, emergency response communication, situational awareness, leadership under pressure

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    34 mins
  • The Signs We Miss: Recognizing Human Trafficking
    Mar 10 2026

    In this episode, Taylor Wencel, an intelligence specialist for the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Relatives Office in Minnesota, discusses the alarming realities of human trafficking and online exploitation. She emphasizes the importance of awareness, community involvement, and open communication between parents and children to prevent exploitation.

    Taylor shares her journey into this work, the dynamics of trafficking, and the critical role of law enforcement and community members in addressing these issues. The conversation highlights the need for empathy and action in combating trafficking and supporting vulnerable populations.

    Reach out to Drew and sign-up for newsletters and podcast updates at Blue-Ethos. If you're interested in reaching out to Taylor Wencel, you can contact her at her at Taylor.Wencel@state.mn.us

    Takeaways

    • Human trafficking is a complex issue that often goes unnoticed.
    • Online platforms are significant recruitment tools for traffickers.
    • Community awareness and vigilance are crucial in preventing trafficking.
    • Parents should maintain open communication with their children about online safety.
    • Sextortion is a growing concern, particularly among youth.
    • Law enforcement must be trained to recognize signs of trafficking.
    • Community members should report suspicious activities, even if unsure.
    • Indigenous women face disproportionately high rates of violence and trafficking.
    • Building relationships between law enforcement and community organizations is essential.
    • Awareness without action is insufficient; empathy is necessary for real change.

    Keywords

    human trafficking, online exploitation, indigenous women, community awareness, parental guidance, law enforcement, missing persons, sextortion, exploitation, victim support

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    1 hr and 16 mins
  • Psychological Safety Beyond the Leader
    Feb 24 2026

    In this episode of Iron and Empathy, host Drew Moldenhauer speaks with Denise McLennan about the critical concept of psychological safety in the workplace. They explore how psychological safety is not just a leader's responsibility but also an individual endeavor.

    Denise explains the layers of psychological safety, the importance of safety intelligence, and how individuals can regulate their responses in high-stakes environments. The conversation emphasizes the need for awareness, ownership, and the ability to navigate complex situations to foster a resilient and supportive workplace culture.

    Reach out to Drew and sign-up for newsletters and podcast updates at Blue-Ethos. If you're interested in reaching out to Denise McClennon, you can contact her at her website: thought-design.com.

    Takeaways

    • Psychological safety is essential for open communication.
    • Our brains constantly assess safety in every interaction.
    • Psychological safety exists in three layers: collective, relational, and individual.
    • Regulation of the nervous system is crucial for effective responses.
    • Taking ownership empowers individuals in challenging environments.
    • Small moments of safety can lead to significant cultural shifts.
    • One person's behavior can impact the entire workplace culture.
    • Safety intelligence can be developed and is vital for navigating complexity.
    • Creating agreements within teams enhances psychological safety.
    • Leaders must adapt to the complexities of modern challenges.

    Keywords

    psychological safety, safety intelligence, workplace culture, leadership, emotional regulation, team dynamics, resilience, communication, conflict resolution, organizational behavior

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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • “I was almost a school shooter” The Aaron Stark Story
    Feb 10 2026

    In this episode of Iron and Empathy, Aaron Stark shares his harrowing journey from a traumatic childhood filled with violence and neglect to becoming a mental health advocate. He discusses the pivotal moments that led him to the brink of committing a school shooting and how the kindness of a friend ultimately saved his life.

    Stark emphasizes the importance of empathy, early intervention, and the power of human connection in healing from trauma. He provides insights into coping mechanisms and encourages listeners to be transparent and honest in their interactions with others, especially those who may be struggling. The conversation highlights the profound impact that small acts of kindness can have on individuals in pain.

    Reach out to Drew and sign-up for newsletters and podcast updates at Blue-Ethos. Aaron Stark can be reached on LinkedIn or Instagram, or via email at AaronStarkAuthor@gmail.com

    Takeaways

    • Aaron Stark's first memory is a traumatic one involving his mother.
    • He experienced severe trauma and neglect throughout his childhood.
    • Stark's journey nearly led him to commit a school shooting.
    • The kindness of a friend, Mike, played a crucial role in Stark's healing.
    • Empathy and human connection can save lives.
    • Transparency and honesty are vital in coping with trauma.
    • Small acts of kindness can change someone's life.
    • Stark emphasizes the importance of checking in on others.
    • He encourages sharing personal experiences to foster connection.
    • Healing is a process that takes time and support.

    Keywords

    mental health, trauma, empathy, violence prevention, friendship, healing, coping mechanisms, kindness, personal story, early intervention

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    1 hr and 27 mins
  • Schmoozing the FAQs: Terminations, Emotions, and Safety
    Jan 27 2026

    This conversation delves into the complexities of workplace terminations, emphasizing the emotional and security risks involved. Drew Moldenhauer and Rich Webb outline best practices for managing these situations, including the importance of preparation, emotional awareness, and security measures.

    Key strategies include creating a multi-option response plan, recognizing the signs of potential threats, and ensuring that terminations are conducted in a safe and professional manner.

    Takeaways

    • Terminations are one of the highest risk moments in any workplace.
    • Focus on main entry points and use security measures.
    • Glass doors only buy a few seconds in a threat situation.
    • Practice mental rehearsals for emergency responses.
    • Trust your gut and pay attention to warning signs.
    • Conduct terminations in a neutral, accessible space.
    • Having a second person present is responsible, not overreacting.
    • Keep conversations short to avoid escalation.
    • Plan your exit in advance for safety.
    • Consider virtual terminations to reduce risk.

    Keywords

    workplace safety, termination procedures, emotional responses, risk management, security measures

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    16 mins
  • Understanding Violence: A Conversation with Dr. James Densley
    Jan 20 2026

    In this episode of Iron and Empathy, host Drew Moldenhauer engages with Professor James Densley, a leading expert in criminology and criminal justice, about preventing violence before it occurs.

    Densley explains that mass shootings are rarely random, often following identifiable pathways shaped by trauma, personal crises, and access to firearms. He emphasizes the importance of recognizing warning signs, encouraging empathetic communication among peers and coworkers, and using interdisciplinary threat assessment teams. The conversation underscores the need for psychological safety in workplaces and schools, calling on organizations to foster supportive environments that can help reduce the risk of violence.

    Reach out to Drew and sign-up for newsletters and podcast updates at Blue-Ethos. Professor James Densley can be reached theviolenceproject.org

    Takeaways

    • "It's about looking out for one another."
    • "These were individuals who perpetrated some of the most heinous crimes imaginable, but they were human beings living normal lives before that point."
    • "The biggest misconception is that these individuals just pop out of nowhere."
    • "All four of those stages are intervention points."
    • "If you see something, say something. But to whom?"
    • "You can't just suspend a kid and think that's it, problem solved."
    • "Happy employees are nonviolent ones."
    • "The human factor is key in preventing violence."
    • "We need to give people a reason to live."
    • "Psychological safety isn't soft; it's one of the strongest tools we have to prevent harm."

    Keywords

    violence prevention, mass shootings, threat assessment, early intervention, psychological safety, criminology, Professor James Densley, workplace culture, empathy, James Densley, Iron and Empathy,

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    1 hr and 4 mins