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Ill Conceived

Ill Conceived

By: Josh Boerman & June Sternbach
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A podcast about natalism. Hosted by Josh Boerman (The Worst of All Possible Worlds, Traditional Scrench) and June Sternbach (Kill The Computer, The Onion).

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  • Natal Conference 2025

    Natal Conference 2025
    Oct 25 2025

    In March 2025, 200 natalists and their closest friends assembled in Austin, Texas for the second gathering of NatalCon, a convention intended to discover the core causes of declining birthrates and come up with solutions to address those problems. This week, Josh and June watched videos recorded from that convention to see what they were cooking. Turns out that it was mostly fascism.

    ***WE WANT YOUR THOUGHTS FOR THE WEEKLY MAILBAG! Send an email with feedback about this week's episode to illconceivedpod@gmail.com***

    EPISODE ART: Kevin Dolan, the founder of Natalcon. Dolan posts on X under the pseudonym "Bennett's Phylactery" and was fired from his position as a data scientist at Booz Allen Hamilton after being doxxed in 2021.

    FURTHER READING:

    • "Surprise! Even Tradwives Like to Share Nudes, Talk About Sex, and Be Single" by Erin Vanderhoof (Vanity Fair, October 21, 2025)

    AUDIO CLIPS:

    • 34:48 – Kevin Dolan in his opening remarks at NatalCon 2025
    • 44:02 – Jack Posobiec's speech at NatalCon 2025
    • 47:42 – Carl Benjamin (aka Sargon of Akkad)'s speech at NatalCon 2025
    • 57:45 – Indian Bronson's speech at NatalCon 2025
    • 1:08:56 – Peachy Keenan's speech at NatalCon 2025
    • 1:10:54 – Peachy Keenan's speech at NatalCon 2025, continued
    • 1:17:29 – Carl Benjamin's speech at NatalCon 2025, continued
    • 1:23:29 – Raw Egg Nationalist's speech at NatalCon 2025
    • 1:35:24 – Michael Seifert's speech at NatalCon 2025
    • 1:42:02 – Raw Egg Nationalist's speech at NatalCon 2025, continued
    • 1:48:13 – Carl Benjamin's speech at NatalCon 2025, continued

    SOURCES:

    • The Natal Conference YouTube channel – contains links to all of the speeches mentioned in this episode
    • “Giving entrepreneurs an 'EXIT' from cancel culture” by Matt Himes (The Blaze, June 7, 2024)
    • “#4: You're going to be doxxed.” by Kevin Dolan (July 20, 2021)
    • “The Eugenic Circus Comes to Town” by Brant Bingamon and Maggie Quinlan (The Austin Chronicle, November 2, 2023)
    • “Revealed: US pro-birth conference’s links to far-right eugenicists” by Jason Wilson (The Guardian, September 4, 2023)
    • “Tech bros and tradwives are unlikely allies in a little-known movement that’s gaining momentum” by Catherine E. Shoichet, Deborah Brunswick and Meena Duerson (CNN, April 10, 2025)
    • “Eugenics Controversy Looms Over Natal Conference at UT’s AT&T Center” by Lucciana Choueiry (The Austin Chronicle, March 20, 2025)
    • “Reflections on Natal-Con” by Bryan Caplan (March 31, 2025)
    • “They say they want Americans to have more babies. What's beneath the surface?” by Lisa Hagen (NPR, April 25, 2025)
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    1 hr and 55 mins
  • The Good, the Bad and the Mailbag

    The Good, the Bad and the Mailbag
    Oct 17 2025

    Next week we're recording our first in-person episode together and Josh is still prepping, so it's time for another mailbag episode. This week's topics include Elon Musk's super-sperm, Warhammer 40K, adoption as a tool of natalism, the pitfalls of accelerated home learning, and how we've discovered the flow and format of the podcast as we've gone along.

    ***COME SEE JOSH IN CHICAGO THIS MONDAY... Josh will be performing as part of Genius Night: A Night For Geniuses on Monday, October 20 at 7pm... This free event (with a $5 suggested donation) will be at Cafe Mustache, located at 2313 N Milwaukee Avenue... SEE YOU THERE????***

    ***WE WANT YOUR THOUGHTS FOR THE WEEKLY MAILBAG! Send an email with feedback about this week's episode to illconceivedpod@gmail.com***

    EPISODE ART: The cover for the movie The Good, the Bad and the Ugly except it's been edited to say The Good, the Bad and The Mailbag

    FURTHER READING:

    • Law Banning Child Sex Offenders From Homeschooling Stalled After Nine Child Sex Offenders Testify Against It by Tony Delvecchio and Fennick Nym (The Spoon, Belt & Rod, October 9, 2025)

    FOLLOW THE SHOW:

    • Website: illconceivedpodcast.com
    • Bluesky: ‪@illconceivedpodcast.com
    • Tumblr: @illconceivedpod

    FOLLOW JOSH:

    • Website: joshboerman.com
    • Bluesky: @bosh.worstpossible.world
    • Other podcast: The Worst of All Possible Worlds
    • Stream: Traditional Scrench

    FOLLOW JUNE:

    • Bluesky: @junlper.beer
    • Other podcast: Kill The Computer
    • Writing: June's Substack
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    1 hr and 1 min
  • Elon Musk

    Elon Musk
    Oct 10 2025
    Elon Musk was once hailed as one of the brightest wealthy Americans who was standing up for progressive causes like climate change. Then he threw away that reputation as he rapidly shifted rightward and publicly embraced white nationalist conspiracy theories. This week, June and Josh explore Elon Musk’s under-discussed but high-priority views on birth rates, natalism, the Great Replacement theory, and sexy chatbots. ***WE WANT YOUR THOUGHTS FOR THE WEEKLY MAILBAG! Send an email with feedback about this week's episode to illconceivedpod@gmail.com*** EPISODE ART: Elon Musk, the current wealthiest man in the world and by some metrics the wealthiest man to ever live, wearing a black hat that says DOGE on it. Musk's current net worth is estimated around a half trillion dollars based on his equity positions in Tesla and SpaceX. He also owns X, the social media network formerly known as Twitter. AUDIO CLIPS: 24:38 – Elon Musk in an interview with WELT Documentary36:09 – Bob Page, the primary antagonist of the 2000 video game Deus Ex, in one of the game's three endings58:20 – Elon Musk in an interview with Matteo Salvini, the deputy prime minister of Italy1:12:09 – Luke Priddy, a YouTube content creator who teaches American English, reviewing Grok's "Ani" persona as a teaching tool1:18:07 – A demonstration video of "Ani" posted by Elon Musk to his X account on July 18, 2025 SOURCES: Elon Musk All but Endorses the Great Replacement Conspiracy TheoryAll About Elon Musk's Kids: Meet His 14 Children and Their 4 MomsElon Musk’s Breeding Spree Is So Much Wilder Than You ThoughtThe Tactics Elon Musk Uses to Manage His ‘Legion’ of Babies—and Their MothersElon Musk Says Shrinking Birth Rates Keep Him Up at NightElon Musk thinks the population will collapse. Demographers say it’s not happeningVivian Jenna Wilson on Being Elon Musk’s Estranged Daughter, Protecting Trans Youth and Taking on the Right OnlineElon Musk rescues Babylon BeeElon Musk Says Everyone Should Have 'At Least 3 Children' To Save The Human Race — But Studies Show It Costs Up $430,928 To Raise A KidHow the 'replacement' theory went mainstream on the political rightThe father of ‘great replacement’: an ex-socialist French writerThe immigrants you fear are just like your ancestors. Don’t fall for political scare tactics.How Elon Musk Is Bringing Sexy A.I. Chatbots to the MainstreamLoneliness is Driving adoption of AI CompanionsAI Companions Reduce Loneliness FOLLOW THE SHOW: Website: illconceivedpodcast.comBluesky: ‪@illconceivedpodcast.comTumblr: @illconceivedpod FOLLOW JOSH: Website: joshboerman.comBluesky: @bosh.worstpossible.worldOther podcast: The Worst of All Possible WorldsStream: Traditional Scrench FOLLOW JUNE: Bluesky: @junlper.beerOther podcast: Kill The ComputerWriting: June's Substack
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    1 hr and 26 mins
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