Musicians recount the strange and unexpected story behind the making of your favorite albums. Taylor grew up on a Christmas tree farm and moved to Nashville to become a country star before ditching it all to become the pop princess marketing maven the world knows today. The boys get together to talk about Taylor hooky lines, and Max Martin's production stamp, the Swiftie community's connection to Phish-heads.

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