For decades, US allies have slept soundly under the protection of America’s overwhelming military might. Donald Trump — with his threats to ditch NATO, seize Greenland, and abandon Taiwan — seems hell-bent on shattering that comfort.

But according to Hugh White — one of the world's leading strategic thinkers, emeritus professor at the Australian National University, and author of Hard New World: Our Post-American Future — Trump isn't destroying American hegemony. He's simply revealing that it's already gone.

These highlights are from episode #218 of The 80,000 Hours Podcast: Hugh White on why Trump is abandoning US hegemony – and that’s probably good, and include:

• America has been all talk, no action when it comes to China and Russia (00:39)
• How Trump has significantly brought forward the inevitable (05:14)
• Westerners always underestimate what China can achieve (10:32)
• We live in a multipolar world; we've got to make a multipolar world work (15:47)
• Trump is half-right that the US was being ripped off (19:06)
• Europe is strong enough to take on Russia, except it lacks nuclear deterrence (22:27)
• A multipolar world is bad, but better than the alternative: nuclear war (28:50)
• Taiwan's position is essentially indefensible — and the rest of the world needs to be honest with them about that (33:24)
• AGI may or may not overcome existing nuclear deterrence (39:16)

These aren't necessarily the most important or even most entertaining parts of the interview — so if you enjoy this, we strongly recommend checking out the full episode!

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Highlights put together by Ben Cordell, Milo McGuire, and Dominic Armstrong