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Hey White Women

Hey White Women

By: Daniella Mestyanek Young
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 In this insightful and candid conversation, Daniella Mestyanek Young, a scholar of cults, extreme groups, and extremely leadership, joins Rebecca, known as White Woman Whisperer on TikTok and Patreon, to delve into their experiences and revelations about cult dynamics, white supremacy, and systemic racism. Daniella, who grew up in the notorious Children of God cult and later served in the military, shares her journey of understanding and deconstructing white supremacy as a pervasive cult. Rebecca, a Black Jewish woman, discusses her own realizations about systemic racism and the similarities between white supremacy and cult behavior. Together, they explore the complexities of deprogramming from these ingrained systems, the importance of acknowledging privilege, and the power of vulnerability in fostering genuine understanding and change. This dialogue sheds light on the personal and societal challenges of breaking free from cult-like ideologies and the ongoing work required to dismantle oppressive systems.2024 Philosophy Social Sciences
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  • Hey White Women w/ Knitting Cult Lady & White Woman Whisperer | 57 | Who's Speaking Matters

    Hey White Women w/ Knitting Cult Lady & White Woman Whisperer | 57 | Who's Speaking Matters
    Nov 14 2025
    This episode features a deep, nuanced conversation between Daniella Mestyanek Young and Rebecca about whiteness, power, community, cultural disconnection, and the complicated dynamics of speaking about social issues publicly. They explore how race, gender, and perceived authority shape who is "allowed" to say what, and how society reacts differently depending on the identity of the speaker. Their discussion spans topics such as the weaponization of "niceness," internal policing within white communities, the loss of joy in white American culture, the effects of cult-like systems, excommunication and belonging, cultural appropriation versus cultural inheritance, family structures, consumerism, and community care. They also delve into how white people often center themselves even in conversations about harm, the dangers of nostalgia in healing from narcissistic systems, and the structural reasons why many white Americans lack the skills of communal living and mutual aid. Rebecca and Daniella reflect on their own identities, histories, and complexities — including Daniella's upbringing in Brazil and a cult, and Rebecca's experiences navigating whiteness as a Black Jewish woman — while interrogating the pressure to "fit" into expected cultural norms. Connect with Rebecca at: Website Patreon TikTok Connect with Daniella at: Daniella's Patreon TikTok Instagram Website Youtube KnittingCultLady Store Preorder for Culting of America: The Culting of America PRE-SALE (SHIPS BY JANUARY 20, 2026) – Knitting Cult Lady Uncultured by Daniella Mestyanek Young From Bookshop.org Autographed UnAMERICAN Videobook Key Takeaways Identity shapes how messages are received, especially around race; white men can say things without risk that women or people of color cannot. White women often police one another to maintain perceived safety, conformity, and social order within whiteness. Passing, conformity, and "basic white girl" scripts are forms of survival that create long-term opportunity costs for white women seeking cultural self-understanding. Joy was systematically removed from white culture, often in direct opposition to Black joy, and reclaiming joy requires conscious work without appropriating Black resistance frameworks. Cultural practices like dancing, extended family structures, and community care have been stripped or flattened in white American culture but are thriving elsewhere. White discomfort at being excluded from conversations often masks entitlement to oversight and control rather than genuine curiosity. Community care is underdeveloped in many white American spaces, leaving people unprepared when systems fail them. Exiting harmful systems has "exit costs," including the loss of community — even when that community was not healthy. Nostalgia can obscure the realities of harmful dynamics, especially when leaving cults, whiteness, or tightly policed identity groups. Book clubs and structured discussion spaces can offer safer environments for people doing personal or collective deconstruction work. Appropriation vs. inheritance: reclaiming cultural elements (dance, language, music) from one's heritage differs from adopting something not your own. White insistence on conceptual thinking (vs. presence and relational curiosity) limits connection and reinforces distancing. "What are you?" asked by white people is classification; asked within communities of color, it's relational. Joy is resistance is a Black concept; white people can learn from it without co-opting it. Consumerism as identity (e.g., commercial Christmas) distracts from communal practices and meaning. Whiteness confuses individualism with safety, leading to scarcity thinking and overreliance on systems rather than people. Chapters 00:00 The Power of Identity in Conversations 02:54 Navigating Conversations on Race and Gender 05:38 The Impact of White Voices in Social Discourse 08:30 Cultural Differences in Community Care 11:14 The Fear of White America 13:58 Understanding Familial Language and Boundaries 23:20 Understanding Family Structures 25:59 Challenging Consumerism and Community Building 29:43 The Complexity of Joy and Resistance 33:24 Cultural Appropriation and Identity 41:28 Navigating Community and Belonging 45:58 Navigating Exit Costs and Opportunity Costs 48:29 Exploring Cultural Identity and Nostalgia 51:22 The Complexity of Cultural Conversations 54:47 Building Inclusive Spaces in Book Clubs 58:37 Anticipating Attention and Navigating Identity 01:08:07 The Impact of Evangelical Backgrounds 01:11:52 Cultural Identity and Deconstruction 01:13:29 The Emotional Toll of Leaving Cultures 01:17:59 Systemic Issues and Personal Reflection 01:22:40 Navigating Relationships and Awareness 01:28:03 Community and Ongoing Learning Produced by Haley Phillips
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    1 hr and 30 mins
  • Hey White Women w/ Knitting Cult Lady & White Woman Whisperer | 56 | Enablism

    Hey White Women w/ Knitting Cult Lady & White Woman Whisperer | 56 | Enablism
    Nov 6 2025
    In this wide-ranging and incisive conversation, Daniella Mestyanek Young and Rebecca (White Woman Whisperer) examine how white womanhood functions within patriarchal and white supremacist systems. They discuss cultural habits like performative complaining, body-shaming as small talk, and the defense of harmful relationships as coping mechanisms inherited from historical gender norms. The two connect these behaviors to broader enablism within oppressive systems, drawing parallels between interpersonal and systemic patterns of abuse. They explore the emotional labor of deconstruction—how growth can strain relationships, how whiteness breeds fragility and avoidance of discomfort, and how dismantling oppressive systems demands both personal transformation and systemic critique. The discussion also touches on Daniella's experiences with xenophobia, the absurdity of racial hierarchy among white people, and the exhaustion of trying to teach anti-racism to those who want shortcuts or moral validation. Both women emphasize humor, vulnerability, and "tactical frivolity" as subversive tools in serious work. Connect with Rebecca at: Website Patreon TikTok Connect with Daniella at: Daniella's Patreon TikTok Instagram Website Youtube KnittingCultLady Store Preorder for Culting of America: The Culting of America PRE-SALE (SHIPS BY JANUARY 20, 2026) – Knitting Cult Lady Uncultured by Daniella Mestyanek Young From Bookshop.org Autographed UnAMERICAN Videobook Key Takeaways White women often express dissatisfaction (with husbands, bodies, etc.) as a social ritual rather than a desire for change. These behaviors reflect cultural conditioning to commiserate without demanding accountability or transformation. Daniella and Rebecca liken white womanhood's role in patriarchy to the "safe parent" in an abusive household—complicit but self-perceived as powerless. Enablism—passive complicity in maintaining harmful systems—is central to both personal and structural oppression. The discomfort of being challenged is frequently mistaken for harm, creating resistance to genuine deconstruction. Deconstructing whiteness and gender roles requires sustained, self-directed effort—there is no shortcut or "quick fix." Daniella connects this to her personal history with cult dynamics, where sameness and vulnerability were conflated, skewing community instincts. Rebecca critiques how whiteness seeks "relief" from self-imposed suffering rather than confronting the systems that cause it. Both note that systemic change begins with self-awareness and ends with structural accountability—not moral self-improvement alone. "Tactical frivolity"—using humor, creativity, and joy to subvert power—can be a radical form of activism. Building cross-racial trust demands deep listening and relinquishing control, not speaking for marginalized people. Deconstruction changes relationships; not everyone will evolve at the same pace, and that tension is part of the work. White supremacy harms everyone, including white people, by creating emotional, social, and moral impoverishment. Daniella's experiences of xenophobia from white Americans expose anti-Blackness embedded even within whiteness itself. Both women critique liberal white feminism for avoiding self-implication while demanding praise for minimal awareness. Authentic allyship requires giving up comfort, control, and the illusion of moral purity. Systemic analysis—of race, gender, and culture—must be paired with emotional intelligence and introspection. Teaching about whiteness should balance empathy and accountability without centering white fragility. Humor, self-awareness, and relational honesty are essential tools in sustaining anti-racist and feminist work. Chapters 00:00 Understanding White Women's Online Behavior 05:37 The Dynamics of Relationships and Complaining 10:50 The Burden of Whiteness and Self-Perception 13:51 The Complexity of Identity and Relationships 16:29 The Challenge of Change in Relationships 19:15 The Illusion of Control and Future Perspectives 22:19 Racism and the Burden of Proof 25:01 The Impact of White Supremacy on Society 28:00 Understanding Racism and White Privilege 30:21 The Role of Gender in Storytelling 32:22 Privilege and Community Dynamics 34:14 The Impact of Sororities and Greek Life 35:57 Language and Anti-Blackness 37:49 Navigating Identity and Cultural Backgrounds 41:32 Deconstructing Whiteness and Systemic Racism 46:16 The Challenge of Anti-Racism Work 50:48 Tactical Frivolity in Activism 56:32 Navigating Book Clubs and Conversations 57:41 Understanding Language and Communication in Anti-Racism 59:33 Setting Standards for Inclusivity 01:01:56 The Patterns of Content Creation and Community 01:03:57 The Illusion of Corporate Goodness 01:05:50 The Emotional Weight of Deconstruction 01:07:36 The Journey of Healing and Growth 01:09:40 The Timing of Writing and Sharing Experiences 01:11:...
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    1 hr and 23 mins
  • Hey White Women w/ Knitting Cult Lady & White Woman Whisperer | 55 | Weaponizing Whiteness

    Hey White Women w/ Knitting Cult Lady & White Woman Whisperer | 55 | Weaponizing Whiteness
    Oct 30 2025

    In this episode, Daniella Mestyanek Young (Knitting Cult Lady) and Rebecca (White Woman Whisperer) unpack the process of recording the audiobook version of Daniella's upcoming book and explore how their collaboration reflects deeper dynamics of race, privilege, and creative responsibility. They discuss rejecting the "easy" or most cost-effective route in favor of ethical decisions that honor Black voices and resist capitalist shortcuts. The conversation then broadens into weaponizing whiteness for good—how white women can leverage social privilege to confront injustice—and the nuances of accountability, cultural power, and self-deconstruction. From Taylor Swift and fandom culture to the politics of "Karen energy" and organizing white women, they tackle how white femininity functions within systems of white supremacy and how to redirect it toward meaningful change.

    Connect with Rebecca at:

    Website

    Patreon

    TikTok

    Connect with Daniella at:

    Daniella's Patreon

    TikTok

    Instagram

    Website

    Youtube

    KnittingCultLady Store

    Preorder for Culting of America: The Culting of America PRE-SALE (SHIPS BY JANUARY 20, 2026) – Knitting Cult Lady

    Uncultured by Daniella Mestyanek Young

    • From Bookshop.org

    • Autographed

    • UnAMERICAN Videobook

    Key Takeaways:

    • The fear of standing out in white culture traces back to witch trials and remains embedded in social norms.

    • White supremacy and patriarchy teach emotional repression as moral strength.

    • The military and corporate systems reinforce conformity and replaceability over individuality.

    • "Non-practicing white" fails as a concept because whiteness itself is an imposed norm that denies difference.

    • Beauty standards valorize proximity to whiteness while extracting ethnic features.

    • Cultural evangelism—needing others to adopt your way of life—comes from fear of isolation within whiteness.

    • Self-care and emotional expression are forms of resistance against white patriarchal conditioning.

    • Dance and communal expression highlight how joy is systemically stripped from white cultural spaces.

    • True cultural integration requires curiosity and humility, not performance or token participation.

    • Reclaiming identity means finding safety in individuality rather than sameness.

    Chapters

    00:00 The Audiobook Journey
    02:53 Navigating Identity and Voice
    05:36 Community and Collaboration
    08:38 The Power of Whiteness
    11:19 Understanding Miscommunication
    13:58 Weaponizing Whiteness
    16:51 The Role of White Women in Activism
    19:38 The Influence of Culture and Media
    26:53 The Promise and the Disappointment
    28:09 Taylor Swift's Influence and Responsibility
    30:18 Cult of Personality: Taylor Swift as a Leader
    34:30 Deconstructing the Swiftie Identity
    37:41 Navigating Fandoms and Personal Identity
    43:57 Music as a Reflection of Self
    49:01 The Complexity of Critique and Nostalgia
    54:21 Cultural Misunderstandings and Identity
    56:26 The Impact of Whiteness on Discourse
    58:35 Exploring Vulnerability and Cultural Exchange
    01:01:42 The Role of Women in Social Change
    01:06:05 Taylor Swift: A Case Study in Feminism
    01:08:38 The Limitations of Individualism in Leadership
    01:13:53 The Importance of Accountability in Communities

    Produced by Haley Phillips
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    1 hr and 21 mins
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