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Hey White Women

Hey White Women

By: Daniella Mestyanek Young
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 In this insightful and candid conversation, Daniella Mestyanek Young, a scholar of cults, extreme groups, and extremely leadership, joins Rebecca, known as White Woman Whisperer on TikTok and Patreon, to delve into their experiences and revelations about cult dynamics, white supremacy, and systemic racism. Daniella, who grew up in the notorious Children of God cult and later served in the military, shares her journey of understanding and deconstructing white supremacy as a pervasive cult. Rebecca, a Black Jewish woman, discusses her own realizations about systemic racism and the similarities between white supremacy and cult behavior. Together, they explore the complexities of deprogramming from these ingrained systems, the importance of acknowledging privilege, and the power of vulnerability in fostering genuine understanding and change. This dialogue sheds light on the personal and societal challenges of breaking free from cult-like ideologies and the ongoing work required to dismantle oppressive systems.2024 Philosophy Social Sciences
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  • White Women w/ Knitting Cult Lady & White Woman Whisperer | ep50 | Paradox of Proving Yourself

    White Women w/ Knitting Cult Lady & White Woman Whisperer | ep50 | Paradox of Proving Yourself
    Sep 25 2025
    In this conversation, Daniella Mestyanek Young (“Knitting Cult Lady”) and Rebecca (aka “White Woman Whisperer”) explore how cult dynamics show up in the U.S. military, publishing, and everyday systems of power. Daniella shares insights from her forthcoming book Culting of America, reflecting on the accessibility of ideas across mediums (books, documentaries, TikTok), and the challenges of being taken seriously while calling the military a cult. The discussion ranges from personal deconstruction journeys, the paradox of proving oneself, and the caste-like structures of whiteness, to critiques of purity culture, efficiency-driven institutions, and performative empathy. The episode closes with a reminder to focus on joy, embodiment, and building community beyond oppressive systems Connect with Rebecca at: The White Woman Whisperer Website The White Woman Whisperer Patreon The White Woman Whisperer TikTok Connect with Daniella at: You can read all about that story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0 Instagram: https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_ Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Fundraiser for Culting of America book publishing https://tr.ee/fldwYRFTJ Key Takeaways The U.S. military operates with cult-like dynamics, even if the industry resists that framing. Proving yourself to institutions or skeptics is draining and cedes power — the paradox of proving. Storytelling across mediums (books, documentaries, TikTok) makes ideas more accessible. Whiteness often relies on denial and purity culture, dismissing lived realities. Shared learning (like audiobooks) can support personal and relational growth during deconstruction. Reading should be about joy and curiosity, not purity tests of “seriousness.” Systems built on efficiency reduce people to products or instruments of productivity. Centering joy, embodiment, and community resists oppressive systems. Chapters 00:00 The Value of Ownership in Creative Work 05:51 The Impact of Race on Opportunities 11:46 Mind Control and Societal Expectations 17:29 The Importance of Shared Ideas in Relationships 26:06 The Impact of Trauma on Reading 29:29 Navigating Feelings in Literature 33:57 The Pressure of Academic Success 35:48 The Value of Exploration in Learning 37:47 The Complexity of Life Decisions 40:03 The Freedom of Childhood 41:24 The Burden of Decision-Making 43:33 The Dynamics of Agreement and Disagreement 45:10 The Role of Expertise in Conversations 47:42 Understanding Hierarchies in Knowledge 50:33 The Intersection of Identity and Expertise 50:50 The Humiliation Ritual of White Women 53:16 Cultural Differences in Body Image 54:47 The Denial of Reality in Whiteness 57:04 Experiencing Pain and Denial 59:24 Believing Black Experiences 01:01:53 The Control of Narrative 01:03:20 The Illusion of Protection 01:05:36 The Burden of Women’s Safety 01:07:34 The Real Dangers of Racism and Violence 01:09:50 Acknowledging Internalized Bias 01:11:19 The Value of Diverse Skills 01:13:12 The Hierarchy of Worth in Society 01:15:02 The Importance of Community 01:17:56 The Debate Over Symbols and Identity Produced By Haley Phillips
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    1 hr and 21 mins
  • Hey White Women w/ Knitting Cult Lady and White Woman Whisperer | ep49 | Un-Gaslighting Whiteness

    Hey White Women w/ Knitting Cult Lady and White Woman Whisperer | ep49 | Un-Gaslighting Whiteness
    Sep 18 2025
    This episode brings Daniella Mestyanek Young and Rebecca into a candid conversation about cult dynamics, purity culture, whiteness, and the process of building communities rooted in truth rather than secrecy or shame. They unpack how cult logic—like the weaponization of secrets, unquestioned authority, and worship of the written word—maps onto broader systems like white supremacy and American culture. Daniella reflects on her work writing Uncultured and her upcoming projects, highlighting how her extreme experiences serve as an entry point for others to recognize parallels in their own lives. Rebecca emphasizes “un-gaslighting” as a practice—naming harmful cultural dynamics so people can break free from them. Together, they discuss credibility, community care, and how both survivors of cults and white women confronting systemic racism can take responsibility for their healing without centering competition or trauma-shaming. The conversation balances personal storytelling with calls to collective responsibility and imagination for healthier communities. Connect with Rebecca at: The White Woman Whisperer Website The White Woman Whisperer Patreon The White Woman Whisperer TikTok Connect with Daniella at: You can read all about that story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0 Instagram: https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_ Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Fundraiser for Culting of America book publishing https://tr.ee/fldwYRFTJ Key Takeaways Secrets as a red flag: Both cults and oppressive systems often rely on secrecy and silencing. Naming and sharing truth is a liberating act. Worship of the written word: Blind adherence to texts (like the Bible or Constitution) enables harm; authority must be questioned, not just accepted because it’s written. Community building: Daniella and Rebecca frame their work as “un-gaslighting,” affirming survivors’ stories without gatekeeping what counts as “real” trauma. Relatability as entry point: Daniella’s extreme cult background creates credibility, but the deeper goal is helping everyday people recognize how white supremacy and patriarchy function in subtler ways. Responsibility in whiteness: White women in particular must deconstruct their complicity in white supremacy and should see themselves as “graduate students” learning, not professors teaching. Trauma without competition: Healthy communities don’t shame members for their trauma or create hierarchies of suffering. Credibility and confidence: Both speakers reflect on moving past needing external validation (degrees, books, male approval) and instead trusting their lived expertise. Sustainable activism: Both stress pacing, safety, and intentionality—choosing to build platforms that reach the right people rather than chasing universal approval. Chapters 00:00 Defending Perspectives and Building Platforms 02:54 The Value of Self-Identification and Expertise 05:59 The Role of Written Word and Capitalism 08:55 Secrets, Trauma, and Community 11:53 Cult Survivorship and Storytelling 14:32 Building a Supportive Community 17:41 Worship of the Written Word and Its Implications 20:41 Navigating Trauma and Identity 25:50 Navigating Perceptions and Identity 26:56 The Power of Saying No 29:21 Purity Culture and Its Implications 31:13 The Role of Authority in Religion 33:54 Establishing Credibility and Expertise 37:28 Audience Engagement and Reactions 39:59 Understanding Authoritarianism and Voting Behavior 42:52 The Role of Influencers in Social Change 53:47 Collaboration and Visibility in Activism 54:34 Bridging the Gap in Conversations 57:57 The Role of White Creators in Deconstructing Whiteness 01:00:55 Understanding Achievement Addiction and Its Implications 01:03:45 Redefining Cults and Coercive Control 01:07:41 Using Privilege for Positive Change 01:09:34 The Power of Collective Action 01:12:37 Navigating Conversations on Race and Privilege Produced by Haley Phillips
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    1 hr and 21 mins
  • Hey White Women with Knitting Cult Lady and White Woman Whisperer | ep48 | Purity Prison

    Hey White Women with Knitting Cult Lady and White Woman Whisperer | ep48 | Purity Prison
    Sep 11 2025
    In this episode, Daniella and Rebecca dive into themes of creativity, body image, cultural conditioning, and the lingering impacts of cult and purity culture. Daniella shares her journey of transforming clothing and crafts as a form of healing, while Rebecca draws connections between whiteness, consumerism, and self-imposed restrictions on bodies and identities. Together, they unpack how purity culture manifests in practices like “purity balls,” clothing expectations, and even shower habits, connecting these to deeper systems of control rooted in patriarchy, whiteness, and colonization. The conversation also explores cross-cultural experiences of communal bathing, body acceptance, and how exposure to diverse bodies and practices can shift self-perception. They highlight how ignorance—whether about washing, menstruation, or cultural traditions—becomes institutionalized and weaponized, often to exclude or control marginalized groups. The episode closes by reflecting on language, labeling, and how subtle choices in words carry histories of colonization, while also pointing toward possibilities for decolonizing everyday life through awareness, community, and art. Connect with Rebecca at: The White Woman Whisperer Website The White Woman Whisperer Patreon The White Woman Whisperer TikTok Connect with Daniella at: You can read all about that story in my book, Uncultured-- buy signed copies here. https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured For more info on me: Patreon: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Cult book Clubs (Advanced AND Memoirs) Annual Membership: https://bit.ly/YTPLanding Get an autographed copy of my book, Uncultured: https://bit.ly/SignedUncultured Get my book, Uncultured, from Bookshop.org: https://bit.ly/4g1Ufw8 Daniella’s Tiktok: https://bit.ly/4bwvNC0 Instagram: https://bit.ly/4ePAOFK / daniellamyoung_ Unamerican video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/YTVideoBook Secret Practice video book (on Patreon): https://bit.ly/3ZswGY8 Fundraiser for Culting of America book publishing https://tr.ee/fldwYRFTJ Key Takeaways Art as Healing and Resistance: Crafting and repurposing clothes can serve both as personal healing from trauma and as a way to resist consumerist and body-restrictive culture. Purity Culture as Control: Practices like purity balls and body-based restrictions reflect patriarchal and white supremacist control, often disguised as morality or tradition. Flat Stomach as “Prison”: Daniella critiques the societal fixation on a flat stomach as a harmful, imprisoning ideal tied to disordered eating and control of women’s bodies. Cults and Time Travel: Beyond “space travel,” cults often promise or enforce “time travel”—keeping people fixated on returning to an idealized past or fearing an uncertain future. White Culture’s War on Washing: Shower control, limited bathing, and metaphors like “brainwashing” reveal deeper histories of colonization, scarcity, and body regulation. Communal Bathing as Counterculture: Exposure to communal, intergenerational bathing practices fosters body acceptance and challenges shame-based conditioning. Ignorance and Shame: Whiteness often weaponizes ignorance—mocking or shaming people for “not knowing”—rather than embracing education as ongoing growth. Language Matters: Word choices carry colonial and cultural weight. Shifts in language (e.g., moving away from terms like “sacred cow” or “knitter”) can open space for inclusivity. Privilege as Managed Consequences: White privilege often shows up as having consequences absorbed or managed by others—shielding people from accountability. Self-Dehumanization: Systems like patriarchy and whiteness train people to see themselves as unworthy, reinforcing cycles of control and comparison. Chapters 00:00 Crafting Connections: The Art of Creation 02:56 The Healing Power of Crafting 05:49 Fashioning Identity: Clothes and Self-Perception 08:23 Cults and Cultural Commentary 11:18 The Intersection of Control and Identity 14:19 Purity Culture and Its Implications 19:36 The Control of Scarcity and Hierarchy 22:15 Self-Care vs. Self-Slavery 25:37 Deconstructing Identity and Cultural Norms 29:12 Patterns of Control in Cultures and Societies 33:17 The Impact of Purity Culture on Self-Perception 38:20 Communal Bathing and Body Acceptance 42:23 Body Image and Self-Compassion 43:23 Vulva Trauma and Representation 44:46 Cultural Ignorance and Period Stigma 46:52 Racial Dynamics and Cultural Identity 49:24 Compliments and Social Expectations 51:32 Emotional Responses and Social Norms 54:35 Privilege and Consequences 58:38 Language and Cultural Sensitivity 01:08:22 The Political Shift in Creative Spaces 01:11:25 Racism and Class Dynamics in Brazil 01:13:34 Challenging Hierarchies and Embracing Community 01:17:27 Redefining Living Spaces and Authenticity 01:21:21 The Illusion of Retirement and Life Balance 01:23:21 Exploitation of Labor and the Cult of Capitalism ...
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    1 hr and 31 mins
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