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In this solo episode, we look at anxiety through the lens of primary pain: for some people, terror wasn’t a reaction to an event, it was the event.

Drawing on clinical work and lived experience, we unpack how nervous systems organise whole lives to avoid re‑experiencing what once felt unsurvivable, how those protective “products” create secondary pain (anxiety, depression, codependency), and why regulation alone is necessary but not sufficient.

We talk safety signaling, preparation before any deep work, and how to meet terror with reverence, pacing, and care, especially in developmental and complex trauma.

If you’ve ever felt a “fear of the fear,” or you work with clients who do, this conversation is for you.

And if you want to join the 3‑day deeper dive into this topic, here's the link to register your place: https://www.events.incorrmethod.com/ll-summit-reg-nov25/

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🎙️ Podcast Title

Beyond spiritual bypassing: Integrating Spirituality and the Body for best healing results

How One Therapist Moved From Non-Duality to Embodied Wholeness

🌟 Podcast Description

What happens when spiritual realization meets unresolved pain in the body? In this powerful and vulnerable episode, we explore the vital connection between spiritual practices and body-centered healing.

Shauna welcomes Ali, a seasoned therapist and coach with 20+ years of diverse experience, to unpack the limitations of purely spiritual approaches like non-duality when it comes to real, human suffering—and the transformational power of returning to the body.

Whether you’re on a spiritual path that’s left your body behind, or a healing journey that’s seeking deeper soul integration, this episode is your reminder: Healing and wholeness lives in the union of both.

👤 Meet Our Guest: Ali

Ali is a holistic therapist, cognitive hypnotherapist, breathwork facilitator, and meditation practitioner with over two decades of experience. Having trained in the Three Principles, non-duality and somatic practices, she brings a rare integration of mind, body, and spirit. Her own healing journey through anxiety, disconnection, and spiritual bypassing led her to the profound work of inner child reconnection and the embodied wisdom of the “incorr” method.

🧩 In This Episode, We Explore:

• Ali’s personal and professional journey from nutritional medicine to deep spiritual and body-based work
  
  
  
• The promises and blind spots of non-dual spiritual teachings
  
  
  
• Why body-based healing is essential, especially for those with trauma, anxiety, or emotional overwhelm
  
  
  
• How the body holds memory and why reconnection can be painful but necessary
  
  
  
• The importance of integrating spiritual insight with embodied presence
  
  
  
• The practitioner's role in meeting clients with nuance, safety, and individualized support
  
  
  
• How reconnecting with the body leads not away from spirituality, but deeper into it
  
  
  

💡 Reflection Questions for Listeners:

1. Have I used spiritual practices to avoid feeling discomfort or pain in my body?
   
   
   
2. What might shift if I brought loving attention to my body’s unmet needs?
   
   
   
3. How do I know when I’m bypassing—and what helps me return?
   
   
   

🧘🏽‍♀️ Final Word

There is no need to choose between your spirit and your body. In fact, your deepest healing may come when the two are in loving dialogue. Listen in and be reminded: your essence lives not above the body, but through it.

🔗 Resources Mentioned in the Episode:

• Introduction to the Three Principles
  
  
  
• Understanding Non-Duality (Article)

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In today’s episode, we dive deep into the heart of trauma healing with a therapist who spent a decade battling her own unresolved pain, all while helping others do the same.

Struggling with impostor syndrome and the weight of unhealed wounds, Sadie finally found freedom through ‘The Clearing Method.’

Join us as we unpack the art and science of trauma work, explore what it really means to get to the core, and listen to Sadie’s powerful story of breaking free, once and for all.

You’ve been listening to getting to the Cor - where we get to the core of what it really takes and means to heal.

If today’s episode stirred something within you, we invite you to take a breath, take your time and when you’re ready, share this with someone who’s ready, too.

See you next time for more of the journey home.

Shauna X

*If you would like to reach out to Sadie you’ll find her details here: https://www.shaunaquigley.com/referral-network-of-clearing-specialists

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