In this episode of the Security by Default podcast, Joseph Carson and guest Satu Korhonen a passionate practitioner, researcher and founder of Helheim Labs delve into the intersection of AI and cybersecurity. They discuss the challenges and opportunities in creating trustworthy AI systems, the importance of collaboration between AI and cybersecurity professionals, and the role of regulation in ensuring AI safety. Satu shares her journey from education to AI, highlighting key moments and insights from her career. The conversation also touches on the EU AI Act, the importance of understanding AI's limitations, and the need for a balanced approach to AI development.

Key Takeaways

• AI systems are fundamentally probability-based, not perfect.
• Collaboration between AI and cybersecurity is crucial for safety.
• The EU AI Act focuses on human rights and risk management.
• Understanding AI's limitations is key to using it effectively.
• AI can enhance productivity but requires careful implementation.
• Training AI with both good and bad data improves its robustness.
• AI should serve humans, not the other way around.
• Hacking AI can reveal vulnerabilities and improve security.
• Community events like hacker camps foster innovation and learning.
• AI's role in society should be carefully considered and discussed.

Chapters

00:00:00 Introduction to AI and Cybersecurity

00:03:00 Satu's Journey into AI

00:09:00 Trustworthy AI and the EU AI Act

00:15:00 Challenges in AI and Cybersecurity Collaboration

00:21:00 The Role of Community and Events in AI

Resources:

https://hackai.quest/

https://helheimlabs.ai/

https://helheimlabs.ai/about-satu-korhonen/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/satu-m-korhonen/

https://why2025.org/

https://www.ccc.de/en/home

https://events.ccc.de/en/

https://disobey.fi/2026/