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Grow or Go

Grow or Go

By: Chris Jones and Matt Silasiri
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We talk about Surfing the Sigmoid Curve. Or in other words: how everything, and everyone will experience inception, growth, maturity, and finally decline. But how do businesses, products, or people continue to grow both personally and professionally? We interview founders, business owners, professionals, and growth-minded individuals who have found success. And they share how they made it happen. We have 1 rule. Don't. Be. Boring. Hosted by Chris Jones, CEO, and co-owner of the largest business brokerage firm in the US, and Matt Silasiri, VP of Business Development. https://www.tnma.comChris Jones and Matt Silasiri Economics Leadership Management & Leadership
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  • Ep. 39 – Maximizing Your Business Digital Presence – Marnie Ochs-Raleigh
    Dec 11 2025

    Business owners are commonly trying to find new ways to grow their business. They are searching for ways to bring new customers or clients their way. But when the answer isn’t a big sales team or a big new active marketing campaign, what will work? Many businesses are finding that optimizing and maximizing their digital presence can make a huge impact in this technology driven environment.


    Evolve Systems is a digital marketing agency based in St. Paul, MN. They work primarily with middle-market B2B business. They specialize in design and branding, website development, digital marketing and search engine optimization (SEO). Marnie is the founder of Evolve Systems and has been the CEO of the company for 23 years.


    Evolve Systems can be found at Twin Cities B2B Marketing Agency | Evolve Systems.

    Marnie can be found at Marnie Ochs-Raleigh | LinkedIn


    Connect with our hosts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Chris Jones⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - CEO and co-owner, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Silasiri⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Vice President of Business Development at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠True North Mergers & Acquisitions ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sunbelt Business Advisors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

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    48 mins
  • Ep. 38 - Business Leaders Growing Together - Bill Cowan
    Dec 5 2025

    Leading a company and being “at the top” can at times feellike a lonely position. The direction of your company rests with you as the main visionary and decision maker and everyone is looking to you to have the right answer every time. So, where do business leaders go when they are looking for advice?

    Vistage Pure Groups connect business leaders and CEO’s to collaborate and make better decisions for their companies. These groups provide leaders an opportunity to discuss potential options, decisions, and directions and get feedback on the best routes going forward. They also provide accountability for leaders to stay proactive and keep their business on the right track.

    Bill Cowan has worked across five different industries throughout his career and has also been a business owner. He is now a facilitator, leader, and mentor for a Minnesota based Vistage Pure Group. He helps business leaders find the best version of themselves in their role to effectively run their companies.


    A Vistage Pure Group can be found at Vistage | A Powerful Network of CEOs Awaits

    Bill can be found at (18) William Cowan | LinkedInConnect with our hosts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Chris Jones⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - CEO and co-owner, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Silasiri⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Vice President of Business Development at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠True North Mergers & Acquisitions ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sunbelt Business Advisors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

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    49 mins
  • Ep. 37 - Preserving Key Institutional Knowledge - Ben Bomar
    Nov 20 2025

    Business transition is completely predictable, we know it is going to happen. Every leader or employee is eventually going to “log off” for the last time. Key employees retire, move on to a new opportunity, or take on new responsibility. When that happens, where does all their valuable knowledge and experience that has been vital to business success go?


    Welcome to Ben Bomar and Lithyus Group. They help businesses recognize and retain the institutional knowledge of their vital team members while mitigating the risks of business disruption caused by employee transition.


    They focus on making best practices common practices within every organization by celebrating, retaining, and sharing the wisdom of vital employees and they empower succession planning, talent development, and business continuity.


    Ben can be found most actively at Ben Bomar | LinkedIn.


    Connect with our hosts: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Chris Jones⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - CEO and co-owner, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Matt Silasiri⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Vice President of Business Development at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠True North Mergers & Acquisitions ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Sunbelt Business Advisors⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.

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    29 mins
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