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Five with Fry

Five with Fry

By: Dr. Jen Fry
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Five with Fry is your go-to podcast for understanding conflict—where it comes from, why it shows up, and how to handle it with clarity and intention. On each episode, Dr. Jen Fry breaks down the moments we avoid, the reactions we default to, and the skills it takes to move through conflict without blowing things up or shutting down.

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  • S3 Ep4: Your Offsite Doesn’t Need More Trust Falls
    Apr 21 2026

    Most retreats promise alignment and come-home energy, yet teams often return to the same old friction by Monday. We open the curtain on why that happens and make a bold case: conflict isn’t a problem to avoid at an offsite, it’s the work that makes the investment pay off. When you treat conflict as data, you expose misalignment, clarify expectations, and rebuild trust in a way that rah-rah moments never will.

    We break down the cost of silence—lost innovation, stalled growth, and fading retention—and explain how unspoken resentment quietly taxes every meeting and decision. Then we shift from theory to practice: what it means to “go to the smoke,” how to replace open-ended venting with facilitated structure, and why norms, prompts, and decision protocols transform heat into movement. You’ll hear how to spot the difference between a values clash, a resource gap, and a process failure, and how that precision creates faster, safer decisions.

    This conversation offers a blueprint for conflict literacy that any team can use. We walk through designing a retreat that surfaces the issues everyone tiptoes around, holds the tension long enough to learn, and leaves with clear agreements that actually change Monday. If your culture feels stuck, if your offsites keep resetting instead of transforming, or if leaders seem allergic to hard conversations, this is your field guide to turn a retreat into a true turning point.

    If you’re planning an offsite or bringing in a facilitator, share this episode with your team and reach out to book us. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us: what’s the one conversation your team needs to have next?

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    6 mins
  • S3 Ep3: Reset Expectations, Repair Gaps, Rebuild Culture
    Apr 14 2026

    You can learn a lot about a team from the second after somebody says the thing everybody has been avoiding. That pause tells the truth fast. Somebody usually tries to rescue the room, smooth it over, or move on before anyone has to sit in what just got exposed.

    That is the conversation I got into here. Not whether conflict belongs at a retreat. Whether the room can actually hold tension long enough to tell the truth about what is off.

    Because a lot of teams confuse silence with maturity. They call it professionalism. They call it protecting the space. But when nobody can stay with a hard moment, trust gets thinner, not stronger. People learn how to manage discomfort, not how to work through conflict.

    I talk about why facilitation matters, what makes a hard conversation useful instead of messy, and why the room right after the truth comes out is where real trust either starts getting built or starts getting lost.

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    6 mins
  • S3 Ep2: More "Good Vibes" is Not a Culture Strategy
    Apr 7 2026

    You can build a retreat around laughter, bonding, and a packed schedule and still come back to the exact same tension. That is the problem Jen names here. When teams keep asking how to make the retreat fun before they name what is actually off, fun starts doing work it was never built to do.

    Jen gets into the difference between feeling good together and being able to work well together. Those are not the same thing. A few shared activities might make people more relaxed, but they will not explain why someone avoids a coworker, hesitates to speak honestly with a boss, or keeps sidestepping a hard conversation.

    She also pushes on a belief that quietly causes problems in a lot of teams: the idea that if people are not close friends, they cannot work together well. That is not true. Sometimes the goal is not closeness. Sometimes the goal is a solid working relationship with clearer expectations, more honesty, and less avoidance.

    Fun can support the room, but it cannot repair the culture for you. If the retreat is going to matter, the team has to name the real issue, make space for honest conversation, and leave with something more useful than a few good photos and a lighter mood.

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    6 mins
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