Our hosts, law professor Ilan Wurman and Kathryn Johnson, are joined by special guest host Will Chamberlain. They take a deep dive into the Kilmar Abrego Garcia case and study it as a microcosm of immigration law and the immigration bar. What is the difference between asylum and withholding of removal? Can Kilmar be deported to a third country? Why can't the government detain him? Are district judges playing interference and engaging in lawfare against the Trump Administration? Do immigration lawyers coach their clients to lie? What are the Supreme Court's leading precedents about "due process" and detention? They also discuss a crazy case out of the Third Circuit where the lower courts held not only that the Biden Administration couldn't detain illegal aliens pending deportation even if they had committed serious crimes, but also that the U.S. taxpayers had to pay their attorney's fees. Finally, our hosts talk about Trump's crusade against big law -- and why they think big law does need to be brought to heel.

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