In this follow-up conversation with Joanne Seymon, co-founder of Kaiko Fidgets, we go far beyond product design and neurodiversity. This episode dives deep into the human experience—touching on love, pain, parenting, grief, death, trauma, and the messy beauty of work that matters.

Jo brings her signature warmth and wisdom as we explore what it means to hold space for others while navigating our own healing. From the raw edges of loss to the joy of shared laughter, this chat is a testament to resilience, connection, and the power of showing up—especially when it’s hard.

Whether you're a parent, a practitioner, or simply someone trying to make sense of it all, this episode offers comfort, insight, and a few good chuckles along the way.

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