After my conversation with Dr John Bergsma recently, I was blessed in the process to become acquainted with the team at St Paul Center who were so helpful for that interview and have continued to stay in touch afterwards. I received an email recently from Elisa, who suggested that one of their recent authors Josh Miller would make for a fantastic guest and I wasn't let down.

Josh is an extremely interesting and clever guy, who grew up in a Protestant Christian home but eventually entered the Catholic Church and published the book Converting the Blue Devils about the similar experience of 9 of his college mates.

Like me, in the moments before the conversion he was deeply anti-Catholic but tells the story about how that position changed layer by layer and over a period of years. And now he's doing something that he wouldn't have believed in a million years - undertaking studies to eventually become an ordained Priest. On that topic, we spoke about what it means for a young and highly credentialed guy to choose that path over the lure of family, business or anything else.

I highly recommend checking out the book, which you can pick up at the St Paul Center and be sure to follow them on Instagram for the latest releases at @stpaulcenter and @emmausroadpublishing.

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