In today’s episode of This Girl Podcast, Daisy sits down with new friend Fran Azel to talk about a season of life so many of us are navigating — midlife and empty nesting.

From the bittersweet quiet of a house once filled with kids, to the courage it takes to try something new (yes, pottery and even camping) Fran shares her personal journey of self-discovery, friendship, and embracing change. This conversation is an invitation to see midlife not as an ending, but as a season of possibility, growth, and joy. We laugh, we reflect, and we remind ourselves of the beauty of girlfriends who walk alongside us through it all.

Fran opens up about her journey from librarian to fitness coach, through parenting shifts, personal development, and even pottery and mountain retreats. Together, Daisy & Fran explore how women can embrace this stage as a transformation rather than a crisis.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• How to embrace empty nesting as a fresh chapter instead of a loss
• The role of friendship and sisterhood in navigating life transitions
• Why trying new things — (like pottery or travel)— can spark joy
• Stories of resilience, humor, and redefining what midlife looks like today
• Why retreats, girlfriends, and learning new skills are lifelines in midlife.

You’ll laugh, nod in recognition, and walk away with fresh ideas to reframe midlife as your halftime show—messy, beautiful, and full of possibility.

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• 0:00 – 2:00 | Daisy’s intro: creating pause, community, and connection.

• 2:00 – 4:00 | Meet Fran Azzel: the story behind “Pocket-Sized Fran.”

• 5:00 – 8:00 | Midlife + empty nest: identity, silence, and the “Now what?” moment.

• 9:00 – 12:00 | Tools for rediscovery: fitness, community, and personal development.

• 13:00 – 15:00 | Marriage in the spotlight: communication and resilience.

• 16:00 – 26:00 | Pottery, cracks, and learning new skills as life lessons.

• 27:00 – 38:00 | Retreats, nature, and girlfriend trips as healing spaces.

• 39:00 – 44:00 | Fun Fire Round: wine vs. coffee, sunsets, songs, and self-care rituals.

• 45:00 – end | Gratitude, blessings of midlife, and Daisy’s closing reflections