In this thought-provoking conversation, Chris sits down with Dr. Kyle Whitaker, philosopher and co-host of “A Pastor and a Philosopher Walk Into a Bar,” to explore the intersection of faith, doubt, and intellectual honesty. Kyle opens up about his unique perspective as a Christian materialist who doesn’t believe in an immaterial soul yet has experienced genuine encounters with God. They dive deep into the deconstruction movement sweeping through evangelicalism, discussing why so many are leaving conservative Christianity, the role of LGBTQ issues in faith communities, and what it means to hold religious beliefs without certainty. Kyle shares his journey from potential Christian apologist to academic philosopher, his struggles with prayer in the face of suffering, and why he describes himself as “three days a week an atheist.” This conversation challenges easy answers while making space for the complexity and ambiguity inherent in authentic spiritual life. Whether you’re deconstructing, reconstructing, or simply questioning, this episode offers a refreshing model of faith that embraces doubt as part of the journey.

Links to episodes of A Pastor and Philosopher Walk Into a Bar are provided below.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-pastor-and-a-philosopher-walk-into-a-bar/id1512686327

https://open.spotify.com/show/1r8ms9udlxS4DYT2yIqsDy?si=PBN-r8zWRp-aMpDbDsrC6w

Episode 18 of “Spiritual Hot Sauce” by Chris Jones is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License.

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