In this episode of the Disciples Made Here podcast, Drew and Heather wrestle with a simple but challenging question: what if church attendance is not the goal? Using the pool metaphor and the battleship vs cruise ship framework, this conversation reframes discipleship around identity, mission, and everyday faithfulness.

We talk about meeting people where they are, why discipleship is relational before it is programmatic, and how the church exists to equip and send disciples into everyday life. This episode is an invitation to rethink what it means to follow Jesus and to live as a sent one where you live, work, and play.

Reflection Questions
• How would you define discipleship today?
• Which relationship needs the most attention right now: R1 with God, R2 with believers, or R3 with the yet to believe?
• Where might God be inviting you to be more intentional this week?

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In this episode of the Disciples Made Here Podcast, Drew Sodestrom and Heather Hodson take an honest look at one of the biggest questions facing the Church today. What if church attendance is not the goal, but discipleship is?

Building on previous conversations around R Cubed discipleship, identity, calling, and the gospel, this episode invites us to rethink what we measure, what we prioritize, and how our structures shape the mission. Together, Drew and Heather explore how Sunday gatherings can unintentionally become a stumbling block when they replace everyday discipleship instead of equipping it.

You will hear practical frameworks, real stories, and helpful metaphors that challenge consumer Christianity and invite us back to the heart of Jesus’ mission. This conversation is for pastors, church leaders, and everyday followers of Jesus who want to live as disciples who make disciples where they live, work, and play.

In this episode, you will explore:
• Why church attendance is not the mission Jesus gave us
• How R1, R2, and R3 shape a biblical picture of discipleship
• The danger of outsourcing discipleship to pastors or Sunday gatherings
• How systems and structures influence what a church actually produces
• What it looks like to design gatherings that equip people to scatter
• Why discipleship is relational, everyday, and deeply intentional

If you have ever wondered whether there is more to following Jesus than showing up on Sundays, this episode is an invitation to rethink the target and re-center on the Great Commission.

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Welcome back to the Disciples Made Here podcast. In this first-ever guest episode, Drew sits down with longtime friend and “big brother” in the faith, Jeff Vanderstelt, to talk about why discipleship has to be more than a Sunday event.

Together, they wrestle with what it looks like to be “gotten by the gospel,” not just knowing the good news, but being transformed by it in a way that spills into everyday life. This conversation is all about why Mondays matter, how we equip the saints for the work of ministry, and how the church gathers to glorify God and scatters to make disciples where we live, work, and play.

In this episode, you’ll hear:
• Why being “gospel-centered” is not the same as being transformed by the gospel
• Signs a church (or a disciple) has drifted toward a Sunday-driven model
• The difference between attracting people to gather and equipping people to scatter
• What to stop doing (and start doing) if we actually want disciples who make disciples
• Practical ways to grow disciples through demonstration, experience, practice, and reflection

Listen, share, and keep the conversation going with us.

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