Andrew Fanning and the transformative principles of Doughnut Economics and the Doughnut Economics Action Lab (DEAL), the work of Kate Raworth and the need to shift from traditional 20th-century economic models to a more holistic approach that prioritizes sustainability and social equity.

Andrea & Iain discuss 'becoming' vs 'being,' drawing from Heraclitus & Blake, emphasizing fluidity and interconnectedness, advocating for a recognition of the complex, non-linear nature of organisms and systems. Intuition, imagination & the innate human connection to nature & the sacred are explored. The discussion concludes with reflections on life, death, & the notion of human existence as a momentary, impactful whirlpool within the vast flow of the universe

Cari & Andrea explore the profound impact of love, awe, & longing in constantly recreating life. Delving into the importance of recognizing one’s place within the larger ecosystem and the interconnectedness of all beings, underscoring the essence of feeling & sensing life, advocating for a return to nature's rhythms, and a compassionate, interconnected existence, with symbiotic relationships that nurture a harmonious, thriving environment. Cari’s book is One Living System.