Episodes

  • Emergency Live Pod: SCOTUS Strikes Down IEEPA Tariffs
    Feb 20 2026

    In a blow to the Trump administration's trade policy, the Supreme Court ruled that the president cannot use the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) as a legal basis to impose tariffs. The Trump administration has relied on IEEPA tariffs as a tool of both economic and diplomatic coercion, seeking to reshape the global trading system and generate revenue for the United States.

    The full implications of today's ruling remain unclear, with significant questions outstanding on what new tariffs the administration might introduce to replace IEEPA tariffs, how and whether tariff refunds will be issued, and what will happen to the trade deals signed with foreign governments in recent months.

    In a live discussion, Geoff was joined by Carrie Cordero, director of the CNAS National Security Law Program, and Chris Kennedy, CNAS adjunct senior fellow and senior economist with Bloomberg Economics' Geoeconomics practice, to discuss the ruling.

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    33 mins
  • Bonus: Washington’s New China Tech Strategy
    Jan 23 2026

    This week, we're bringing you an episode from our friends at CSIS's Asia Chessboard Podcast, where Emily joins host Mike Green to unpack how U.S. national security strategy is shaping technology competition with China. They explore why Washington has rolled back certain tariffs and technology export restrictions, how allies and partners are responding to shifting U.S. trade policies, and whether the United States is still on track to win the U.S.-China tech race.

    Find more episodes from the Asia Chessboard here.

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    37 mins
  • Moving On From Free Trade with Mark DiPlacido
    Jan 8 2026

    Geoff sits down with Mark DiPlacido of American Compass to discuss his recent series of essays, On Balance, that advocates U.S. trade policy should move away from the previous free trade paradigm and instead prioritize balance and reciprocity. They consider the extent to which the Trump administration’s trade policy is aligned with this framework and discuss what to watch for on the big trade stories of 2026, and later delve into what role think tanks play in the current policy environment.

    Mark DiPlacido, “On Balance,” American Compass

    Douglas A. Irwin, Clashing Over Commerce

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    54 mins
  • Breaking the Rare Earths Dependency with Chris Kennedy
    Dec 18 2025

    Geoff sits down with Chris Kennedy to unpack the Trump administration’s National Security Strategy and debate what it will take for the United States to overcome its dependency on Chinese rare earths. Chris is a Senior Economist with Bloomberg Economics’ Geoeconomics practice and a new Adjunct Senior Fellow with the Energy, Economics and Security Program.

    Dean Acheson, Present at the Creation: My Years in the State Department

    Ryan Fedasiuk, “In Search of a China Strategy,” The American Enterprise, December 15, 2025

    National Security Strategy

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    41 mins
  • What if 'America First' Appears to Work? With Tom Wright
    Dec 4 2025

    Tom Wright joins to talk about his recent article, “What if 'America First' Appears to Work?' about the Trump administration’s “might makes right” approach to foreign policy, and whether this strategy is more politically viable than perhaps it should be, at least in the short term. Tom is senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and former senior director of strategic planning at the NSC under the Biden Administration.

    Thomas Wright, "What If ‘America First’ Appears to Work?”, The Atlantic

    Dan Wang, Breakneck: China's Quest to Engineer the Future

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    48 mins
  • BONUS: The Future of IEPPA Tariffs with Francesca Ghiretti
    Nov 20 2025

    In a bonus episode this week, we're sharing an episode of the great Geoeconomic Competition podcast hosted by Francesca Ghiretti, director of the RAND Europe China Initiative and a research leader at RAND Europe.

    Listen to the Geoeconomic Competition podcast here.

    Derisky Business is off next week for Thanksgiving, with episodes returning the following week.

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    42 mins
  • The Real Impact of SCOTUS's Tariff Hearing with Kathleen Claussen
    Nov 13 2025

    Kathleen Claussen, Professor of Law at Georgetown University, joins Emily and Geoff to discuss the SCOTUS case on Trump's tariffs. They share their insights from the recent SCOTUS hearing, explore possible outcomes of the case, and lay out how the Trump administration will likely respond if some or all of the tariffs are struck down. Plus, Kathleen shares why she's not placing any Polymarket bets on the case's outcome.

    Kathleen Claussen and Timothy Meyer, “The Foreign Commerce Power,” California Law Review, forthcoming, Duke Law School Public Law & Legal Theory Series No. 2025-44, August 24, 2025

    Oral Arguments before the Supreme Court on the Legality of IEEPA Tariffs

    International Economic Law and Policy Blog

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    50 mins
  • What's an Economic Security Agreement and Why Does the U.S. Need Them? With Peter Harrell
    Oct 30 2025
    Derisky Business is returning for season 2! After a brief hiatus in which obviously nothing (nothing!) notable happened in the world of trade and economic security, Emily and Geoff are back to dive into all your favorite economic security topics. In their first episode back, they are joined by Peter Harrell, the host of the "Security Economics" podcast, to discuss the concept of economic security agreements and why the U.S. should start bringing economic security priorities like export controls into formal trade deals.

    Geoffrey Gertz and Emily Kilcrease, “A World Safe for Prosperity-How America Can Foster Economic Security”, Foreign Affairs, February 6, 2025

    Emily Kilcrease and Geoffrey Gertz, “Launch Economic Security Agreements” in CNAS Report: The First 100 Days

    Peter Harrell, “How Trump’s trade agreements can reduce US and allied economic ties with China”, Journal of International Economic Law, July 2, 2025

    Geoffrey Gertz, Analysis of the new US-Malaysia trade agreement, LinkedIn

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    1 hr and 2 mins