Denise reveals that her name is associated with one of the worst puns of all time. And speaking of puns, my opening fact is pun-ishment of the highest order. Denise introduces us to the television show she enjoys named Pachinko, that she heard about on NPR's Fresh Air. We talk about open floor plans, the Wu Tang clan, Feng Shui, yoga, and red-bottom shoes. I also learn that Loubouton and Louis Vuitton are not the same person, even though their names sound similar when spoken quickly. And then Denise's rating of camouflage causes me to take off my host hat to tell her that she's wrong. I apologize to you, my audience, and to myself for taking such an extreme measure. Denise also rates being a stay-at-home mother, as she's lived that life in the past and has also been working the last few years. We also have a nice conversation about marriage, and marrying someone different than you - "Not bad or wrong, just different." And we talk about growth in marriage and how she learned to communicate more effectively. I really enjoyed this conversation.

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