• One of the most famous Greek myths tells the story of a young Icarus, whose father Daedalus had built him wings to escape King Minos so they could fly to safety. It's said that while flying over the Greek island of Ikaria, Icarus flew too close to the Sun and his wings melted, pelting him to his death in the rocky sea below.

  In this podcast episode, astrologers Alicia Cielle Heiser and Lori Kaufman talk about their pilgrimage to the island of Ikaria, where they visited the rock where Icarus is said to have fallen. This island is also considered a blue zone, where many people live to be 100 and have healthier lives than much of the world. And it is a beautiful location with ancient wine, panagiria festivals, thermal hot springs and a slow-paced life.

• ADDITIONAL RESOURCES:

  • Asteroid Stories - Icarus
  • The Power of Pilgrimage with Jason Holley

  WHERE TO FIND US:

  • Conversations with the Planets Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠⁠@conversationswplanets⁠⁠⁠⁠
  • Lori's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lorik_127⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
  • Lori's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://lorikaufman27.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
  • Alicia Cielle's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@aliciacielle⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
  • Alicia Cielle's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.aliciacielle.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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There's such a strong focus on the negative aspects of having a strongly malefic chart in astrology, but the influence of malefics can bring great strength, resilience and determination to a nativity. In this podcast episode, astrologers Lori Kaufman and Alicia Cielle Heiser are joined by Matthew Oliver, the founder of Still Water Alchemy, to discuss what it means to have your luminaries and/or angles ruled by the malefic planets Mars and Saturn.

We dig into the nuance of sect and how Mars and Saturn manifest in different ways through our charts. We share personal examples from all 3 of our strongly malefic-ruled charts to crystallize how these planets show up in real life and give some suggestions for how to productively work with malefic energy in your life. We also break down the difference between each angle and luminary to give nuance and depth to your chart interpretations.

A Simple, Potent and Ancient Technique - Sect in Astrology

WHERE TO FIND US:

• Matthew's website: ⁠www.stillwateralchemy.com⁠
• Matthew's Instagram ⁠@stillwateralchemy⁠
• ⁠Link to join The Alchemy Point⁠
• ⁠Register for Alicia's Moon Phases Wellness Retreat⁠⁠
• Conversations with the Planets Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠@conversationswplanets⁠⁠⁠
• Alicia Cielle's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@aliciacielle⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Alicia Cielle's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.aliciacielle.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

• Lori's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lorik_127⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Lori's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://lorikaufman27.com⁠⁠⁠

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So often, the conversation around the tropical and sidereal zodiac is framed as an either/or debate about which zodiac is "better." In this podcast episode, Lori Kaufman and Alicia Cielle Heiser are joined by fellow astrologer Cameron Cassidy to discuss the importance of using BOTH the sidereal and tropical zodiac.

We go over the philosophical differences underpinning each zodiac, as well as the constellational zodiac, to demonstrate the value that each system gives to astrological interpretations. We answer common questions such as which house system to use, and how to incorporate each zodiac with the astrology techniques you use.

This episode is an invitation to think about each zodiac system in a both/and orientation that allows ample space for nuance and complexity. Cam is so fun to chat with and we really hope you enjoy this conversation!

WHERE TO FIND US:

• Cam's website: www.omegastrology.com
• Cam's email: omegastrology@gmail.com
• Cam's Insta: @omegastrology

• ⁠⁠Register for the Moon Phases Wellness Retreat⁠⁠

• Conversations with the Planets Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠@conversationswplanets⁠⁠⁠
• Lori's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lorik_127⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Lori's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://lorikaufman27.com⁠⁠⁠⁠

• Alicia Cielle's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@aliciacielle⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Alicia Cielle's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.aliciacielle.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Engaging with planetary magic helps to build relationship with planetary deities and herbalism is a great way to incorporate multiple aspects of an archetype into your work.

In this podcast episode, astrologers Lori Kaufman and Alicia Cielle Heiser (who is also an herbalist) discuss how to incorporate simple herbal practices into your astrological magic. We dig into herbs and strategies related to each of the 7 traditional planets and unpack how to intuitively form your own correspondences.

WHERE TO FIND US:

• ⁠Register for the Moon Phases Wellness Retreat⁠

• Conversations with the Planets Instagram: ⁠⁠@conversationswplanets⁠⁠
• Alicia Cielle's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@aliciacielle⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Alicia Cielle's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.aliciacielle.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

• Lori's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lorik_127⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Lori's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://lorikaufman27.com⁠⁠

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DISCLAIMER: Information presented in this episode is for educational purposes only. This episode does not include the diagnosis and treatment of disease nor replace the advice of a licensed physician. Please refer to a licensed health professional for any illness or persistent symptoms before using herbal remedies.Herbs can sometimes cause discomfort or side effects and may interact adversely with pharmaceutical medications. Do not use herbs internally without the approval of a doctor or medical professional if you are currently on medications or have a history of medical conditions.

A special Saturn's day bonus post to share some insights into the Saturn in Aries transit that just recently began.

Saturn recently moved into Aries on May 25, 2025 which is a significant collective shift for us all. In this podcast episode, astrologers Alicia Cielle Heiser and Lori Kaufman unpack what this Saturn in Aries transit means for you personally.

We delineate how Saturn in Aries feels, acts and impacts us and how you can determine which areas of your life will be most affected. We also give key dates for when this transit will be loudest and how long it will last. And we go over some historical examples from previous Saturn in Aries transits to project what world and personal events may unfold during this time.

ADDITIONAL RESOURCES:

Essential Dignity 4: Planets in Fall

What do the Houses Mean In Astrology Blog Post

WHERE TO FIND US:

• ⁠⁠Register for the Moon Phases Wellness Retreat⁠⁠

• Conversations with the Planets Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠@conversationswplanets⁠⁠⁠
• Lori's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lorik_127⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Lori's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://lorikaufman27.com⁠⁠⁠⁠

• Alicia Cielle's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@aliciacielle⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Alicia Cielle's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.aliciacielle.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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The mythology of Orpheus goes deep and working with the asteroids can be a wonderful way to ground our birth charts into the mythic stories we embody throughout our lives. In this podcast episode, astrologers Alicia Cielle Heiser and Lori Kaufman are joined by their friend and fellow astrology Matthew Oliver, the founder of Still Water Alchemy, to discuss the mythology and astrology of Orpheus.

We explore several myths in which Orpheus appears, including Jason and the Argonauts, his love story with Eurydice, and the story of his death at the hands of Dionysian maenads. We also discuss the Orphics and Orphic hymns to explore how the followers of Orpheus oriented themselves in the ancient world. And we dig into the asteroid Orpheus and what it can mean if you have this celestial body prominent in your chart.

If you're new to working with asteroids, check out our Asteroids 101 episode for guidance on how to integrate this technique into your astrological toolkit.

WHERE TO FIND US:

• Matthew's website: www.stillwateralchemy.com
• Matthew's Instagram @stillwateralchemy
• Link to join The Alchemy Point
• Register for Alicia's Moon Phases Wellness Retreat⁠
• Conversations with the Planets Instagram: ⁠⁠@conversationswplanets⁠⁠
• Lori's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lorik_127⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Lori's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://lorikaufman27.com⁠⁠

• Alicia Cielle's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@aliciacielle⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Alicia Cielle's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.aliciacielle.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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The goddess Artemis was one of the most widely worshipped and revered deities in Ancient Greece. A virgin goddess associated with wilderness, frenzy, the Moon, childbirth, illness and healing, maidenhood, the protection of young women, dogs, stags and bears, Artemis can also speak to queerness and the power of belonging to ourselves and honoring our own individual needs.

In this podcast episode, astrologers Alicia Cielle Heiser and Lori Kaufman discuss the mythology and powers of Artemis and what it means if her asteroid is prominent in your birth chart. We also share pictures and experiences from two temples to Artemis that we visited while on pilgrimage in Greece. And we discuss some Artemisia herbs including Mugwort, Wormwood, Sweet Annie and Sage Brush.

ADDITIONAL RESOURCES:

• Asteroids 101
• The Power of Pilgrimage with Jason Holley
• Asteroid Underworld Stories - Adonis, Ceres and Persephone
• Artemisia Academy of Herbal Arts and Healing

WHERE TO FIND US:

• Register for the Moon Phases Wellness Retreat

• Conversations with the Planets Instagram: ⁠@conversationswplanets⁠
• Alicia Cielle's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@aliciacielle⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Alicia Cielle's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.aliciacielle.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

• Lori's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lorik_127⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Lori's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://lorikaufman27.com⁠

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Join us LIVE on Youtube on 6/12/25 at 11:30 am PDT for the launch of our second season!

Jupiter is both of our time lords this year - so we made the decision to wait until it was out of detriment (Gemini) and finally ingress into its exaltation (Cancer). Lori’s first house and Alicia’s 10th!

We are FINALLY almost there! Starting on June 12 we will be putting out consistent new episodes every Thursday and we can’t wait to reconnect with you all!

Want to be a guest on the podcast? Anything you’re wanting to learn more about?

Please feel free to reach out! Leave a comment or shoot us a message. We would love to hear from you 🩵

Until then - we will see you very soon!

WHERE TO FIND US:

• Our Youtube Channel
• Conversations with the Planets Instagram: @conversationswplanets

• Lori's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@lorik_127⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Lori's website: ⁠⁠⁠https://lorikaufman27.com

• Alicia Cielle's Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@aliciacielle⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• Alicia Cielle's website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.aliciacielle.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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