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Come Heck or Hot Water: Resilient Solutions for a Changing World

Come Heck or Hot Water: Resilient Solutions for a Changing World

By: The Meadows Center for Water and the Environment
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Welcome to Come Heck or Hot Water (formerly Fahrenheit 140) - where we dive into the science, and solutions shaping climate resilience efforts. In every episode, we’ll explore the science driving change, and the innovations reshaping how we live, work, and sustain our planet. We’ll break down what’s happening, why it matters, and how you can be part of the solution. In Season 3, we’re diving into the ins and outs of seawater desalination. We’ll uncover what this promising solution could mean for our future water security. It’s time to face to face the heat, and make a difference—together.The Meadows Center for Water and the Environment Science
Episodes
  • Salt to Sanctuary: Desalination and Ecology of Bays and Estuaries
    Jul 3 2025

    Could desalination actually help or hurt coastal environments? In this episode, we uncover the secret life of bays, estuaries, and the critters that call them home. Plus — what could desalination mean for our salty ecosystems? Join our hosts Robert and Carrie as they discuss the ecology of bays and estuaries in relation to desalination with Paul Montagna of Harte Research Institute.

    Got a question for Robert and Carrie? Submit it here—we might answer it on the show!

    First up, it’s the Pop Quiz (02:10)  

    • Last episode, Bill Norris and I coined the “Hydro-illogical cycle;” what did we mean by that?

      • A) Constructing desalination facilities is most expensive in times of drought vs times of ample water
      • B) Heavy rains and flooding do not necessarily end drought
      • C) More rain can mean more runoff, resulting in increased pollution of our waterways


      Today’s Keywords: (04:34)

      • Discharge Point: the pipe where the wastewater (brine concentrate) from desalination is released into surrounding water bodies (such as bays or estuaries)

      • Non-point Source Pollution: pollutants that enter water bodies from diffuse sources rather than singular identifiable sources (fertilizer runoff, litter, etc.)

      • Benthic/Benthos: describes anything associated with or occurring on the bottom of a body of water.


      Today’s Guest: Paul Montagna, Endowed Chair for HydroEcology at Harte Research Institute at TAMU-CC

      • Robert Mace introduces our guest (07:44)


      Paul Montagna explores the ecological impacts of desalination:

      • Waving the Book: Paul discusses his latest written work, Freshwater Inflows to Texas Bays and Estuaries (GO READ IT!!!). (09:27)

      • River Systems Breakdown: What is considered a bay vs estuary, and how do they connect inland water bodies to the coast? (11:50)

      • Nutrient-Rich Nursery Grounds: How coastal regions contribute to safe breeding grounds. (13:50)

      • Bay-stuary Stressors: Paul outlines several integrated factors threatening the health of coastal habitats. (17:45)

      • Combined Priorities: "They care as much as we do,” learn how desalination plant designs often align with environmental priorities. (24:50)

      • Environmental Benefits of Desal: Can desalination replenish other environmental flows? (32:04)

      And Don’t Miss What’s Coming Next!

      • Next Episode: Join Robert and Carrie for a discussion about economic considerations of desalination with Gabe Collins of Rice University.

      Episode Links and Resources:

      • Freshwater Inflows to Texas Bays and Estuaries

      • Texas Desalination Association

      • Submit a question to the pod!

      Theme song: Come Heck or Hot Water by Robert E. Mace

      We want to thank pixabay.com for providing the sound effects.

      Learn more about the Meadows Center at ⁠meadowscenter.txst.edu⁠.

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    51 mins
  • Shoring Up Potable Sources: Bringing Israeli Technology to Texas
    Mar 27 2025

    Water scarcity is no joke—especially in Texas. But what if the Lone Star State could take a page from Israel’s playbook? Join our hosts, Robert and Carrie, as they sit down with Lihy Teuerstein and Mark Ellison of IDE Technologies. Lihy and Mark break down the similarities and differences between Israeli and Texan desalination operations and introduce us to the environmental benefits of desalination.

    Got a question for Robert and Carrie? Submit it here—we might answer it on the show!

    First up, it’s the Pop Quiz (01:45)  

    • In the last episode, Robert mentioned that Texas has one of the longest-running desalination plants in the United States. Which Texas city is it located in?

    • A) Corpus Christi
    • B) Muleshoe
    • C) El Paso
    • D) South Padre
    • E) Dell City


    Today’s Keywords: (03:11)

    • Water Supply: the process of providing water to communities

    • Water Security: the ability of a community to access safe, affordable, and reliable water for its needs

    • Drought: a lack of precipitation or water over an extended period of time, resulting in a water shortage


    Today’s Guests: Lihy Teuerstein and Mark Ellison from IDE Technologies

    • Carrie Thompson introduces our guests (04:06)


    Lihy and Mark explore the benefits of bringing Israeli technology to Texas:

    • Israel’s Leading Innovations: Lihy explains groundbreaking tech that gives Israeli desalination its edge. (05:44)

    • Toward the Texas Miracle (Responsibly): Mark outlines how desalination can help the state meet growing water demands (10:57)

    • Putting the Water Where Our Mouths Are: What goes into selecting a desalination site? (13:33)

    • Herding the Cats: Lihy explains the Israeli water grid in comparison to Texas water policy (16:53)

    • From Sea to Shining Stream: How seawater desalination can replenish resources. (20:43)

    • The Recovery Ratio: Explore the exciting new technologies making desalination more sustainable. (23:03)

    • From Drying to Thriving: Mark shares a vision of Texas water security, and the role desalination could play. (25:27)

    And Don’t Miss What’s Coming Next!

    • Next Episode: Join Robert and Carrie for a discussion about policy and desalination in Texas.

    Episode Links and Resources:

    • IDE Technologies

    • Texas Desalination Association

    • NaCl (Sodium Chloride)

    • Submit a question to the pod!

    Theme song: Come Heck or Hot Water by Robert E. Mace

    We want to thank pixabay.com for providing the sound effects.

    Learn more about the Meadows Center at ⁠meadowscenter.txst.edu⁠.

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    35 mins
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