• Ep. 137 - Being Held by Space with Lama Rod Owens
    May 8 2025
    Teaching us to relax back into being held by spaciousness, Lama Rod Owens discusses the forces that help us remember real love, awakened freedom, and who we truly are. In this episode of the Indie Spiritualist Podcast, Chris and Lama Rod explore:The practice and embodiment of real love as revolutionaryTranscending violence and harm and the yearning for all to be freeHolding brokenheartedness with a lot of care and viewing it as a teaching Continued practice even as an awakened being Returning to a space of fluidity and opennessRiding the middle line between form and emptiness Cultivating a stronger relationship with Earth, even in an urban environment Mystical breakthroughs and navigating mental health through the lens of spirituality Getting distracted by euphoria / believing we are hyper-special instead of taking spiritual experiences as an opportunity to connect more deeply with humanity Meditative experiences that can be found in daily life and in our pre-existing hobbiesAllowing space for Western medicine when it is needed Untangling the notion that we have to like something or someone in order to love Returning agency back to community and the enduring spiritual traditions that will aid in our survival This episode is sponsored by Betterhelp & Dharma Seed:Today’s podcast is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/beherenow and get on your way to being your best self.Join Krishna Das, the most well-known voice of Bhakti chanting (Kirtan) in the West, and David Nichtern - a senior Buddhist teacher, founder of Dharma Moon, guitarist in Krishna Das’ band, and producer of several of his albums - for a warm and engaging conversation about these two paths, their shared roots, and how they intersect in contemporary spiritual practice. Learn more about this FREE online gathering - THE HEART & MIND OF PRACTICE: BUDDHISM & BHAKTIAbout Lama Rod Owens:Lama Rod Owens is a Black Buddhist Southern Queen. An international influencer with a Master of Divinity degree in Buddhist Studies from Harvard Divinity School with a focus on the intersection of social change, identity, and spiritual practice. Author of Love and Rage: The Path of Liberation through Anger and co-author of Radical Dharma: Talking Race, Love and Liberation, his teachings center on freedom, self-expression, and radical self-care. Highly sought after for talks, retreats, and workshops, his mission is to show you how to heal and free yourself. A leading voice in a new generation of Buddhist teachers with over 11 years of experience, Lama Rod is highly respected among his peers and the communities that he serves. From these intersections, he creates a platform that’s very natural, engaging, and inclusive. Check out Lama Rod’s most recent publication, The New Saints, and his podcast on the Be Here Now Network, The Spirit Underground.For current offerings and programs, click here.“Is it taking you out of this moment, out of relationship with others around you? Are you having thoughts of being special and extraordinary? Is it helping you to be more human, or is it leading you towards this idealized state that seems to take you out of the messiness of humanity? I think that the real spiritual breakthrough brings us deeper into the experience of being human, of empathy." – Lama Rod OwensSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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  • Ep. 136 - Wetiko: Understanding Our Collective Malady with Paul Levy
    Apr 8 2025

    Paul Levy, a pioneer in spiritual emergence, chats with Chris Grosso about the concept of Wetiko and healing our collective malady.

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    In this episode, Chris and Paul explore:

    • The diagnosis of our collective malady and defining Wetiko
    • Waking up through the darkness
    • Life as a collective dream we are all manifesting
    • The mind virus we are all suffering from and what it can reveal to us
    • The primary importance of the psyche in creating world events
    • Accessing our divine inheritance and divine power
    • Psychologist and Dream Analyst Carl Jung’s exploration of Wetiko
    • The danger of turning a blind eye to our shadows
    • Quantum physics as a dreaming phenomena
    • Shedding light into our unconscious mind
    • Compassion as the ultimate dissolver of Wetiko

    About Paul Levy:

    Paul Levy is an author, speaker, and facilitator who describes himself as “a wounded healer in private practice, assisting others who are also awakening to the dreamlike nature of reality.” Paul brilliantly synthesizes wisdom streams from quantum physics, Carl Jung, Buddhism, alchemy, shamanism, Kabbalah, mystical Christianity, and the work of science fiction author Philip K. Dick. He has been a Tibetan Buddhist practitioner for over 35 years, was the coordinator for the Portland Padmasambhava Buddhist Center, and is the founder of the “Awakening in the Dream Community.” Paul’s books include The Quantum Revelation: A Radical Synthesis of Science and Spirituality, Dispelling Wetiko: Breaking the Curse of Evil, and Awakened By Darkness. Learn more about Paul on his website.

    "Wetiko is a Native American term but every spiritual tradition talks about it, just in different languages. This is the diagnosis. We've made a huge breakthrough. There's been a diagnosis of what's at the bottom of our collective malady. We're in the middle of a collective psychosis of titanic proportions, that is what Wetiko is.” – Paul Levy

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  • Ep. 135 - Freedom Through Sound Healing with Kelvin Young
    Mar 12 2025

    Certified sound healer Kelvin Young joins Chris Grosso to discuss how to find freedom within institutions and systems.

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    This time on The Indie Spiritualist, Chris and Kelvin explore:

    • Kelvin’s first encounter with holistic healing in the prison system
    • How Kelvin became inspired to change his life and get sober for himself and his daughter
    • Becoming anchored through sound healing
    • How we at the subatomic level, we are vibration and sound
    • Having spiritual experiences at concerts regardless of genre
    • Integrating holistic practice into hospitals and other facilities
    • Moving from hypervigilance to relaxation through sound healing
    • Meeting people where they are at on their healing journey
    • The science of sound and rituals around the world that utilize sound
    • The power of humming and using our own voice as a tool
    • The gong as an instrument of interconnection
    • 12-step healing as integral piece for many people in recovery

    About Kelvin Young:

    Kelvin Young is a Certified Sound Healer and Owner of Kelvin Young, LLC. He is also a person in sustained recovery which means Kelvin hasn’t used alcohol or any other drug to cope with his mental and emotional distress since March, 6th 2009. Kelvin received his recovery coaching training at CT Community for Addiction Recovery (CCAR) and Recovery Support Specialist (RSS) certification at Recovery University. Kelvin has presented around the country in diverse settings, including CCAR Multiple Pathways to Recovery Conference, Alternatives Conference, Yoga Reaches Out, Newtown Yoga Festival, The Shift Network, Indie Yoga in San Francisco, CA, Alex Grey’s Chapel of Sacred Mirrors, Copper Beech Institute, CT Women’s Consortium, yoga studios, retreat centers, conferences, high schools, colleges, prisons, addiction treatment centers, psychiatric hospitals and mental health agencies. Today, he publicly speaks on addiction recovery to people from all walks of life. Kelvin also facilitates private and group sound healing sessions at different locations throughout the United States. Keep up with Kelvin HERE.

    “Sound has been that foundation for me to explore and understand that sound itself is life itself. It humbles me to be in awe of what all of sound is, the vibrations. Down to the subatomic level, we are vibration, we are sound, we are energy, we are frequency.” – Kelvin Young

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  • Ep. 134 - Unraveling Inner Landscapes with Tori Olds
    Dec 3 2024

    Psychologist Tori Olds helps listeners unravel inner landscapes by examining emotions, identity, and the patterns in our lives.

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    In this episode, Chris and Tori explore:

    • Tori’s early interest in emotions and psychology
    • Interfacing with our emotional reactions
    • How experiences shape identity
    • Irrational and self-defeating behaviors
    • How what we learn as a child influences how we protect ourselves as an adult
    • Emotional knowing versus logical knowing
    • Implicit memory and fear conditioning
    • How witnessing new evidence can help us unlearn negative patterns
    • Mindfulness for regulation of the nervous system
    • The importance of working with a trained professional
    • The potential within psychedelic-assisted therapy

    If you are unable to work with a therapist but feel therapy may be helpful, check out this book recommendation from Tori: Self Therapy

    About Tori Olds:

    Tori Olds, PhD is a psychologist and a mother, but there is much more to her identity. Songwriting, meditation, and teaching are also important aspects of her life. She helped start Deep Eddy Psychotherapy alongside her sister Charlotte, her husband Glenn, and both her parents, which has provided her with numerous opportunities to train and supervise aspiring therapists. Ten years ago, she began leading a 6-month training group called “Minding the Heart,” offering a deep dive into experiential methods of therapy. She is drawn to these approaches because she believes the most profound transformation occurs when we connect with the deepest parts of ourselves—those that can only be reached through direct, experiential contact. Keep up with Tori on her website.

    “Making a prediction and seeing that what is happening is not what we predicted makes the memory labile…it’s in a state where it can change. If we introduce new knowing in two seconds the whole neural network can be rearranged or dissolved.” – Tori Olds

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    1 hr and 15 mins
  • Ep. 133 – Unlocking Unconscious Desires with Carolyn Lovewell
    Nov 14 2024

    Diving into the meaning of existential kink, Dr. Carolyn Lovewell joins Chris Grosso to discuss unlocking our unconscious desires.

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    This time on The Indie Spiritualist, Chris and Dr. Lovewell discuss:

    • The meaning of existential kink
    • The practice of orgasmic meditation
    • How vulnerability and truth can lead to more sensation
    • Considering what our unconscious desires may be
    • Practicing enjoying what is already happening
    • Realizing the darkness / pain we may be attracted to subconsciously
    • Themes within the myth of Persephone
    • The power addictions hold over us and admitting powerlessness
    • A guided meditation from Dr. Carolyn
    • Living as characters in God’s dream
    • Becoming aware of our own wholeness and non-dualism
    • Sleep Over Mystery School and the heart of western mysteries

    About Dr. Carolyn Lovewell

    Dr. Carolyn Lovewell (formarlly Elliott) is an American scholar, author, and occultist. She is the author of the book Existential Kink which focuses on shadow integration as a means for creating positive change in the self. She obtained a doctorate in Critical and Cultural Studies at the University of Pittsburgh. Check out Dr. Lovewell’s podcast, Sleep Over and learn more on her website.

    If you are interested in integrating the opposites in the psyche, join the 9 month program with Dr. Lovewell at the Sleep Over Mystery School

    “Existential kink is the idea that pretty much all of us human beings have an unconscious attraction to painful things. We’re all kinky, we’re all in a sadomasochistic relationship with the universe. The universe, God, whatever we want to call it is a dom that has no safe words. It just keeps coming, all the time. We can learn to make those unconscious attractions to painful or negative patterns conscious. When we do that, we liberate all sorts of energy that had been unconsciously stuck. Existential Kink is a deep tool for change.” – Dr. Lovewell


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  • Ep. 132 – Peaceful Coexistence with Krishna Das and Nina Rao
    Oct 2 2024

    Reflecting on our ability to peacefully coexist, Nina Rao and Krishna Das join Chris Grosso to talk politics, practice, and more.

    This week, Chris, Krishna Das, and Nina all converge upon:

    • Maharaj-ji’s response to being visited by politicians
    • Keeping the heart calm and open regardless of what is happening around us
    • Recognizing everyone as a part of our own selves
    • Coexisting with all beings, human and non-human
    • Living out our karma and doing the best can to not harm anyone
    • Considering feelings about the upcoming election
    • How it took returning to the west for Nina to connect to devotional practice
    • Finding a way to unlock the love that lives within us
    • Connecting to the guru even after they have left the body
    • The ways we are born programmed by our culture, parents, etc.
    • Chris’ experience with Ketamine therapy for his mental health
    • Chanting as self releasing rather than self expressing

    About Krishna Das:

    Layering traditional Hindu kirtan with instantly accessible melodies and modern instrumentation, Grammy nominee, Krishna Das has been called yoga’s “rock star.” With a remarkably soulful voice that touches the deepest chord in even the most casual listener, Krishna Das – known to friends, family, and fans as simply KD – has taken the call-and-response chanting out of yoga centers and into concert halls, becoming a worldwide icon and the best-selling chant artist of all time. His album ‘Live Ananda’ (released January 2012) was nominated for a Grammy in the Best New Age album category.

    Krishna Das now travels the world sharing his kirtan practice and wonderful stories of his life, of Maharaji-ji, of his life on the Path and discusses bringing chanting into our lives through retreats and workshops. To date, KD has released 15 well-received albums, most recently Trust in the Heart released in October 2017. For more on Krishna Das events, music, and other offerings visit: KrishnaDas.com

    About Nina Rao:

    Nina Rao is a devotional singer. She tours with Krishna Das, playing cymbals, singing, and acting as his business manager. Nina has two of her own albums, “Antarayaami – Knower of All Hearts” and “Anubhav”. Nina regularly leads kirtan, workshops, and retreats in her hometown of Brooklyn, New York and beyond. Together with Chandra and Genevieve Walker, Nina operates the 21 Taras Collective. You can keep up with Nina on her website or find her on Instagram @nina_rao and on Facebook @NinaRaoChant.

    “If people’s hearts are open and calm and connected to other people, the chances of doing things that are destructive is much less. You have to try to get to the deepest place inside and then who could you hurt because everybody is part of your own self.” – Krishna Das


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  • Ep. 131 - A New Paradigm of Healing with Sean P. Lawlor
    Aug 15 2024

    Calling attention to the healing properties of psychedelics, author and therapist Sean Lawlor talks with Chris about his new book, Psychedelic Revival.

    Grab your copy of Psychedelic Revival: Toward a New Paradigm of Healing HERE

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    In this episode, Sean and Chris reflect on:

    • Sean’s inaugural experiences with psychedelics
    • Accessing altered states of mind
    • Integrating psychedelic experiences into daily life
    • Chris’s journey with treatment-resistant depression and psychedelic therapy
    • Changing the ongoing damage from the war on drugs
    • What psychedelics are and what they can do
    • Breaking out of our habituated thoughts patterns
    • Enduring the challenging parts of a psychedelic journey
    • The different types of psychedelics and their pros and cons
    • The amazing effect of placebo and having intentions
    • Plant medicines versus more western psychedelics

    About Sean Lawlor:

    Sean is an author, therapist, and developer of online course content. He received his Masters of Fine Arts from Chatham University and completed a 3-year Master’s program in Mindfulness-Based Transpersonal Counseling at Naropa University. Sean’s new book, Psychedelic Revival: Toward a New Paradigm of Healing, is currently available in print and digital formats. Learn more about Sean on his website.

    “A theory that I do believe in is that everything that comes up in the (psychedelic) experience can be helpful for one’s own healing journey, even if it is really challenging and dark.” – Sean Lawlor

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    1 hr and 14 mins
  • Ep. 130 - Merging the Material and Spiritual with Matt Winkley
    Jul 10 2024

    Through the inspiration of Sufism, Matt Winkley describes how he merged the business world with spirituality to form heart-centered companies and find financial freedom.

    This time on The Indie Spiritualist, Matt and Chris chat about:

    • Matt’s youth and leaving for California with only the shirt on his back
    • Building his own business out of his apartment
    • Getting below the hood of pain
    • How meeting a Sufi healer taught Matt to go into his heart-space
    • Walking through the door of the ego and surrendering
    • Building a trusting relationship with the divine
    • Sufism as a sweet, mystical path rather than a rule-centered religion
    • Merging the material world with the spiritual world
    • Advice on having a conscious relationship with money
    • Matt’s experience with chronic stress, burnout, and auto-immune disease
    • Finding financial freedom and learning about passive income
    • Allowing ourselves to experience abundance
    • Examining what we really want, finding purpose, and taking action

    About Matt Winkley:

    Matt Winkley is a businessman and mystic who doesn’t see a difference between the spiritual world and the external world, finding meaning in both. He built companies with integrity and has a passion for bringing spiritual principles into the workplace. Matt studied intensely under the tutelage of the great spiritual Sufi master Sidi Muhammad al-Jamal. During these years of study Matt transformed himself from the inside out. Taking these teachings into the area of business, Matt seamlessly integrated both worlds, creating unique leadership styles and heart centered business practices. As a savvy investor Matt was able to create financial freedom in his 30’s and now uses his time to give back. He mentors young conscious entrepreneurs, teaches meditation classes and supports charitable causes. Keep up with Matt on his Instagram.

    “I think you can be a cautious, spiritual, heart-centered person and have abundance. I don’t believe money changes you, I think it amplifies you. I think if you’re a kind, generous, heart-driven person, you’ll be able to do more of that with resources.” – Matt Winkley

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    1 hr and 15 mins