In this episode Judith Bueving discusses the change management career journeys of Mike Ligtenbelt and Wessel van den Berg, who transitioned from corporate change management roles to founding Out of Office Development, a coaching practice focused on leadership and team development in nature.

They share insights on their motivations for leaving corporate life, the philosophy behind their coaching approach, and the importance of psychological safety in teams.

The discussion also covers practical advice for change management career transitions, transferable skills going from change management to owning their own business and new skills they learned. Throughout the conversation topics such as discovering what you value and where you like to go in your career, courage, the value of experiences (great and not so great ones) in shaping one's career path are also being discussed.

Host: Judith Bueving

Guests: Maik Ligtenbelt, Wessel van den Berg

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In this episode of Change Chats, Judith Bueving speaks with Prachi Jain about her career in change management which is focused on digital adoption projects, AI in change management and leading cross-cultural teams.

They dive into:

- The clarity, insights and peace a sabbatical can give and how it helps Prachi in her daily change management work with her clients

- Prachi shares her insights on defining success on one's own terms and the importance of pausing to reflect on personal and professional growth regularly and keep revisiting if work brings you joy and you are on the right path as a change practitioner

- The positive movement Prachi and Judith have both witnessed in their change management careers with the discipline being considered as a crucial success factor and seat at the table at the beginning of a transformation program rather than towards the end

- The integration of AI in the field, what deliverables it specifically can be used for and while AI in the change management field is certainly an asset, keep protecting the most valuable asset you and others have - your brain

- Prachi's advice to change practitioners starting out in the field and her advice to fellow millennial change practitioners

- The significance of building strong relationships and networks and how it is important to think about what you bring to a network and not only what you can take

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New Change Chats episode incoming soon where I sit down with Maik Ligtenbelt & Wessel van den Berg - ex-change management consultants turned entrepreneurs who co-founded Out of Office Development, a company that takes leadership and team coaching into the outdoors 🏔️ 🌳 .

✨ Listen to this short clip of Out of Office Development's philosophy, and watch this space for the full episode soon.

🎙️ Change Chats is the Podcast for navigating your Change Management career; whether you’re starting out, mid‑career, switching tracks or a seasoned change pro. Each episode features guests from Boomers to Gen Z sharing fresh perspectives, practical tips and real‑world stories to help you thrive.