On this episode of Certified Conversations, I sit down with a true R&B legend, Raheem DeVaughn. We talk about his 20-year journey from college student to Grammy-nominated “Love King,” the making of his debut album The Love Experience, and how he’s now the voice of the original Quiet Storm on WHUR in D.C.

Raheem breaks down what it’s like to merge his brands as both a recording artist and radio host, why he doubled back to re-record “You” for its 20th anniversary, and how he’s navigating the new music ecosystem through independence, platforms like UnitedMasters and EVEN, and true ownership of his masters. We get into legacy, toxic vs. timeless R&B, showmanship on stage, and what it really takes to survive two decades in one of the most cutthroat industries.

From dealing with Twitter backlash to choosing not to feed negativity, to giving game on digital real estate, mental health, and financial literacy, this episode is full of gems. If you love real conversations about artistry, business, Black media, and love songs that actually feel like something, this one’s for you.

In this interview, I sit down with Crystal Waters, a true legend, to talk about her journey from a shy kid in a jazz family to becoming one of the defining voices of house music.

Crystal opens up about growing up surrounded by music—her father a jazz musician, her aunt Ethel Waters a pioneering Black actress and singer, and her uncle part of MFSB. Even though she was quiet and stayed in her room with headphones on, she was obsessed with albums and knew music was a core part of her life.

We get into how moving to New York pulled her into what was then an underground dance scene. At that time, what we now call house music wasn’t on mainstream radio—it lived in clubs and late-night sets. Crystal explains how “Gypsy Woman” became one of the first tracks to really cross that line and bring the sound into the mainstream while the culture stayed rooted in the underground and later exploded in Europe.

One of the most powerful parts of our conversation is when she breaks down the real inspiration behind “Gypsy Woman.” She takes me back to her kitchen table, writing to a track, humming “la da dee, la de da,” and needing lyrics that fit. That led her to think about a homeless woman she used to pass in Washington, DC—always put together, singing gospel for money. After reading an article about how quickly that woman’s life had fallen apart after losing a retail job, Crystal’s perspective on homelessness shifted. That story became the heart of the song and its opening line, and it honestly made me hear “Gypsy Woman” in a whole new light.

I ask her about coming from such a strong jazz background, and she admits there was some pressure and confusion from her family about her going into dance music and electronic production. They wanted “real” music with instruments. But after she signed her deal in the late ’80s and “Gypsy Woman” blew up in 1991, the success spoke for itself.

We also talk about the legacy of “Gypsy Woman”—how wild it is to both of us that the record is still being sampled and referenced by artists across genres: TI, Alicia Keys, Mary Mary, Doja Cat, and beyond. From my hip hop perspective, it’s powerful to connect the dots between a classic house record and how it continues to shape new music.

A big theme for us is who gets credit for house music. Crystal is clear that house started here, in American Black and brown communities in Chicago and New York. She pushes back on the idea that it began in Europe and talks about that infamous news piece that credited David Guetta with starting house—something the community immediately rejected. She sees it as her responsibility, while she’s still active and visible, to keep telling the truth about the culture’s roots.

We dive into her live orchestra show in New York, which brings together an all-star lineup of women in dance music—Robin S, CeCe Peniston, Barbara Tucker, and more. From my POV, this is a big deal: we don’t often get to see all these women, who helped build this genre, share a stage in this way. Crystal describes it as more of an experience than a typical concert, especially for New Yorkers who’ve never seen house music presented with a full live orchestra.

I bring up Beyoncé’s Renaissance and artists like Kaytranada, and we talk about how they’ve revived and reframed house in the Black community. As a Black woman, once I realized just how many of these foundational house records were created and carried by Black women like Crystal, it shifted how I saw the whole space—and it’s exactly why I wanted her on my show and why I plan to be front row at her tour. Crystal gives Beyoncé full credit for helping people put a name to the sound and reconnect it to its roots.

This interview with Chris Patrick, hosted by Nyla Symone, dives deep into the artist’s journey, from his early days in music to career-defining moments, including touring with Russ and the viral “Man in the Garden” freestyle. Chris reflects on the ups and downs of his rise, the profound influence of family and friends (especially his father and late grandmother), and how patience, perseverance, and community support have fueled his artistry. The candid conversation also unpacks themes behind his latest project “Pray for Me,” meaningful collaborations with Marco and Conductor, and the challenges of balancing ambition with authenticity. Personal anecdotes, humorous memories from the road, and Chris’s vision for both his legacy and the future of hip-hop round out this inspiring episode.