Episodes

  • Centering 10x5 - Spirit's Anointing... For God's Glory?

    Centering 10x5 - Spirit's Anointing... For God's Glory?
    Dec 23 2025
    Spirit’s Anointing…For God’s Glory? In this episode of Centering, hosts Yulee Lee and Daniel Lee explore the unlikely convergence of the biblical story of Samson, fermentation of kimchi, and iconic Jane Austen characters. The topic, Spirit’s Anointing…For God’s glory? highlights the dangers of conflating giftedness with divine favor, the importance of character over charisma, and the critical need for communal discernment and accountability structures, emphasizing that the anointing of the Spirit is made apparent through the evidence of the fruits of the Spirit. They draw on theological insights, personal anecdotes, and historical examples to emphasize the potential pitfalls of toxic ministry. The episode underscores the necessity for spiritual leaders to embody Christ-like humility and to engage in practices that promote healthy, sustainable, and God-centered leadership. 00:00 Introduction to Toxic Ministry 01:16 Recap of Previous Episode 01:54 The Dangers of Public Figures and Parasocial Relationships 04:36 The Misuse of Spiritual Anointing 07:44 The Importance of Communal Discernment 08:56 Character vs. Charisma in Leadership 14:37 The Role of Wisdom and Maturity 16:07 Distinguishing True Movements of God 18:06 White Christian Nationalism and NAR 20:34 The Importance of Accountability in Leadership 24:36 Avoiding Desperation in Ministry 26:37 The Dangers of Familiarity with Holy Things 29:53 Final Thoughts and Reflections The Violent Take It by Force by Matthew D. Taylor https://www.broadleafbooks.com/store/product/9781506497785/The-Violent-Take-It-by-Force About the New Apostolic Reformation https://www.npr.org/2011/10/03/140946482/apostolic-leader-weighs-religions-role-in-politics If you appreciate the work we do at the Asian American Center at Fuller Seminary, please consider supporting us! Your monetary support sustains our vital work and expands Asian American research, leadership development, and pastoral formation for the Church in the year ahead. Donate here: fuller.edu/giveaac
    Show More Show Less
    30 mins
  • Centering 10x4 - Authoritarianism... For God's Glory? (Dr. Gabriel Jay Catanus)

    Centering 10x4 - Authoritarianism... For God's Glory? (Dr. Gabriel Jay Catanus)
    Dec 9 2025
    Authoritarianism…For God’s Glory? In this episode of the Centering: the Asian American Christian Podcast, hosts Yulee Lee and Daniel Lee are joined by guest Gabriel Jay Catanus (Director of the Filipino American Ministry Initiative and Affiliate Assistant Professor of Theology and Ethics at Fuller Seminary; Lead Pastor of Garden City Covenant Church - Chicago), who shares insights on the pitfalls of authoritarianism within church leadership, drawing parallels from historical examples like Dietrich Bonhoeffer's criticism of Nazi Germany and discussing how immigrant church communities can inadvertently foster toxic leadership dynamics. The conversation also highlights the importance of plurality, cultural sensitivity, and self-reflection in cultivating healthy spiritual leadership. The episode concludes with practical advice for leaders to avoid believing their own hype and for communities to focus on collaborative and ethical leadership practices. 00:00 Introduction to Toxic Ministry 00:48 Understanding Authoritarianism in Ministry 03:11 Guest Introduction: Gabriel Jay Catanus 04:49 Authority and Power Dynamics in Churches 08:43 Cultural and Spiritual Influences on Leadership 12:35 Charismatic Authority and Its Challenges 21:02 Navigating Spiritual Power and Leadership 27:24 Muscular Christianity and Nazi Ideology 28:10 Identifying Authoritarian Leaders 29:26 Embracing Plurality in Leadership 31:20 Efficiency vs. Plurality in Ministry 32:18 Challenges for Asian American Leaders 35:59 God's Relationship with Authority 37:13 Personal Reflections on Leadership 46:42 Concluding Thoughts and Future Topics Dr. Gabriel Jay Catanus https://www.gabrieljcatanus.com/ Fuller’s Asian American Center aac.fuller.edu The Grand Inquisitor by Dostoevsky https://www.gutenberg.org/files/8578/8578-h/8578-h.htm The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoevsky https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-brothers-karamazov-a-new-translation-by-michael-r-katz-fyodor-dostoevsky/aefeb2fa8f45adb1 Bonhoeffer's 1933 radio address https://books.google.com/books?id=PF1cpVfZS60C&pg=PA268&lpg=PA268&dq#v=onepage&q&f=false If you appreciate the work we do at the Asian American Center at Fuller Seminary, please consider supporting us! Your monetary support sustains our vital work and expands Asian American research, leadership development, and pastoral formation for the Church in the year ahead. Donate here: fuller.edu/giveaac
    Show More Show Less
    47 mins
  • Centering 10x3 - Spiritual Gaslighting... For God's Glory?

    Centering 10x3 - Spiritual Gaslighting... For God's Glory?
    Nov 25 2025
    This Giving Tuesday, support the work we do at the AAC! Your monetary support sustains our vital work and expands Asian American research, leadership development, and pastoral formation for the Church in the year ahead. Donate here: fuller.edu/giveaac Spiritual Gaslighting…For God’s Glory? In this episode of Centering: the Asian American Christian Podcast, hosts Daniel Lee and Yulee Lee explore spiritual gaslighting, using scriptural examples and personal anecdotes, to illustrate its damaging effects on individuals and community health. Daniel and Yulee emphasize the importance of discernment, the need for genuine lament, and finding emotionally safe communities to navigate and heal from such toxic environments. They encourage listeners to anchor themselves in the true character of God and process their experiences honestly without bypassing pain and reality. 00:00 Introduction and Milestone Celebration 01:02 Season Overview: Toxic Ministry 01:49 Episode 3: Honest Conversations on Toxic Ministry 02:59 The Dangers of Spiritual Bypassing 05:51 Biblical Counseling and Its Pitfalls 12:24 Personal Story: Confronting Toxic Leadership 20:06 Recognizing Spiritual Gaslighting 21:59 Understanding Spiritual Gaslighting 22:23 Cultish Behavior in Churches 23:07 Examples of Spiritual Abuse 25:49 Personal Stories of Spiritual Abuse 27:53 Theological Reflections on Suffering 32:10 The Importance of Lament and Community 36:46 Practical Steps for Healing 40:54 Concluding Thoughts on Discernment Emotionally Healthy Church, Peter Scazzero Emotionally Healthy Spirituality, Peter Scazzero https://www.harpercollinschristian.com/author/369/peter-scazzero/ Bruggemann Loss of Genuine Lament https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/030908928601103605 Cultish by Amanda Montell https://amandamontell.com/cultish/
    Show More Show Less
    42 mins
  • Centering 10x2 - Spiritual Bypassing... For God's Glory?

    Centering 10x2 - Spiritual Bypassing... For God's Glory?
    Nov 11 2025
    In the latest episode of Centering: The Asian American Christian Podcast, hosts Yulee Lee and Daniel Lee delve further into the challenging topic of toxic ministry. The conversation highlights the necessity of discernment in ministry, distinguishing between toxic and simply unhealthy environments. They introduce the concept of “spiritual bypassing,” where spiritual language and “Christianese” is used to avoid addressing real issues. Personal stories and examples from the Bible illustrate how authentic spiritual maturity involves embracing and processing one's emotions rather than bypassing them for a facade of spirituality. 00:00 Introduction to Toxic Ministry 00:48 Understanding the Distinction Between Toxic and Dysfunctional Ministries 05:41 The Role of Grace in Enabling Abuse 06:53 Personal Stories of Ministry Abuse 12:11 Spiritual Bypassing vs. Spiritual Maturity 20:07 The Confusion of Discernment 20:19 Daniel's Story on Anger 20:42 The Complexity of Anger in Christianity 22:48 Spiritual Bypassing and Its Dangers 24:01 The Importance of Authenticity in Faith 25:36 The Role of Psalms in Prayer 26:37 Challenges in Ministry and Spiritual Manipulation 28:35 Embracing a Broad Spirituality 30:09 Avoiding Spiritual Bypassing 36:25 The Need for Honest Struggle in Faith 39:05 Concluding Thoughts on Toxic Ministry Devotional Classics by Richard Foster https://www.harpercollins.com/products/devotional-classics-revised-edition-richard-j-foster?variant=32116217479202 Spiritual Bypassing by Robert Masters https://www.northatlanticbooks.com/shop/spiritual-bypassing/ Emotionally Healthy Church, Peter Scazzero Emotionally Healthy Spirituality, Peter Scazzero https://www.harpercollinschristian.com/author/369/peter-scazzero/ KPop Demon Hunters https://www.netflix.com/title/81498621 If you appreciate the work we do at the Asian American Center at Fuller Seminary, please consider supporting us! Your monetary support sustains our vital work and expands Asian American research, leadership development, and pastoral formation for the Church in the year ahead. Donate here: https://fundraise.givesmart.com/form/lhJydg?vid=18eqio
    Show More Show Less
    41 mins
  • Centering 10x1 - Discerning Toxic Ministry... For God's Glory?

    Centering 10x1 - Discerning Toxic Ministry... For God's Glory?
    Oct 29 2025
    In this episode of Centering: The Asian American Christian Podcast, hosts Yulee Lee and Daniel Lee introduce the season's focus on toxic ministry. They discuss how abuse is often justified in God's name, turning obedience into oppression. The conversation delves into the discernment needed to identify toxic leadership and move towards healing and healthy spiritual leadership. They share personal experiences, discuss the challenges of abusive ministry contexts, and emphasize the importance of theological grounding. Future episodes will feature guest speakers and topics like spiritual gaslighting, authoritarianism, and examples of toxic leadership in various ministry contexts. 00:00 Introduction to the Podcast 00:47 Meet the Hosts: Yulee and Daniel 03:40 The Genesis of the New Season 05:09 Understanding Toxic Ministry 07:25 The Spectrum of Toxic Leadership 12:21 Navigating Toxic Environments 20:22 The Dangers of Religious Claims 20:48 Personal Struggles in Ministry 21:49 Toxic Ministry Environments 24:15 Community and Cultural Challenges 26:26 Theological Reflections on Ministry 34:17 Upcoming Episodes and Final Thoughts Fuller’s Asian American Center - aac.fuller.edu Leading Change and Loving People, Change Management Insights from the Non-Profit Sector by Yulee Lee https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/mono/10.4324/9781003272243/leading-change-loving-people-yulee-lee About Min Chung and CFC https://www.wbez.org/race-class-communities/2021/08/02/a-reckoning-at-covenant-fellowship-church Letters from Rahab Instagram Profile https://www.instagram.com/p/C6Ef9Qku9mr/ If you appreciate the work we do at the Asian American Center at Fuller Seminary, please consider supporting us! Your monetary support sustains our vital work and expands Asian American research, leadership development, and pastoral formation for the Church in the year ahead. Donate here: https://fundraise.givesmart.com/form/lhJydg?vid=18eqio
    Show More Show Less
    37 mins
  • 9x08 - Representation: Empowerment, Healing, and Hope

    9x08 - Representation: Empowerment, Healing, and Hope
    Aug 2 2024
    9x08 - Representation: Empowerment, Healing, and Hope by Centered: Resources for the Asian American Church
    Show More Show Less
    44 mins
  • 9x07 - Coherence: Narratives & Reconciled Identities

    9x07 - Coherence: Narratives & Reconciled Identities
    Jul 19 2024
    9x07 - Coherence: Narratives & Reconciled Identities by Centered: Resources for the Asian American Church
    Show More Show Less
    33 mins
  • 9x06 - Nuances: Pathologies & Ideals

    9x06 - Nuances: Pathologies & Ideals
    Jul 5 2024
    9x06 - Nuances: Pathologies & Ideals by Centered: Resources for the Asian American Church
    Show More Show Less
    32 mins