Curious about the psychology of pathological liars, Andrea talks with two leading experts. For more from Dr. Drew Curtis and Dr. Christian Hart, check out their book Big Liars: What Psychological Science Tells Us About Lying and How You Can Avoid Being Duped.

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Karoline unpacks her healing journey with Kristin Snowden, an expert in betrayal trauma recovery.

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This summer, one of our favorite podcasts, The Girlfriends, launched a new weekly series, telling the stories of “women winning.” In this bonus episode, Andrea Gunning sits down with Anna Sinfield, host of The Girlfriends: Spotlight, for a candid conversation about telling stories of love, lies, crime, and persevering against the odds.

Don’t miss The Girlfriends: Spotlight and Season 3 of The Girlfriends, premiering July 14th.

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Joel Kern wasn’t alone in his bad behavior. More allegations of misconduct at the CSPD come to light.

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The Betrayal Team investigates how Joel was able to walk away from the mess he created.

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Joel goes to rehab in hopes of saving his career and his marriage. Karoline uncovers new information that further shocks family.

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Internal Affairs investigators question Joel on allegations of misconduct. Will he tell the truth?

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Karoline reexamines her 20 years of marriage – the life she thought she was living, and the one her husband was hiding just under her nose.

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