Audrey Tang (Taiwan’s first Digital Minister) sits down for a fireside chat with Edge City’s Timour Kosters to talk about digital democracy, the philosophy of plurality, civic technology, and what the rest of the world can learn from Taiwan’s democratic experiments.

Recorded at Edge Esmeralda, held in Healdsburg, CA, from May 24 - June 21, 2025.

LINKS

Audrey Tang: https://x.com/audreyt

Timour Kosters: https://x.com/timourxyz

Edge Esmeralda: https://www.edgeesmeralda.com

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CHAPTERS

(00:00) Introduction: Audrey Tang and the Idea of Plurality

(01:53) From Civic Hacker to Minister

(04:48) The Sunflower Movement and GovZero

(09:42) Tech for Collective Action: Open Data and Pandemic Response

(13:01) Democracy as Defense: Radical Transparency in Taiwan

(17:12) Global Applications: Bowling Green, Japan, and California

(26:00) What is Plurality? From Conflict to Collaboration

(31:02) High-Bandwidth Democracy and Civic Muscle

(35:07) Real-World Plurality in Japan and California

(43:07) AI, Education & Civic Competency

(47:50) Q&A: Gen Z, Radical Interoperability and Future Tools

(56:57) Q&A: DAOs, Community Design and the Power of Forking