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Sara from Utah joins Katie to open a window into life as an Enneagram Five.

Sara unpacks the difference between physical retreat (car, corner, time-out) and an emotional shutdown that feels like a cloud rolling over the mind. She explains why Fives can be read as “cold,” how she “thinks her feelings,” and the quiet cost of borrowing energy in crisis (the post-help crash and “overdraft fees”).

They dig into doing-repression, limited access to the Feeling center, the embarrassment of visible excitement, boundaries around who gets her bandwidth, and how naming facts can be a bridge back to emotions.

We are beginning a huge project and would love your help.

We will doing eight more interviews of this kind in 2026, for each of the types.

If you are interested in being interviewed, please let us know either in the comments or send us a direct message.

We need folks who are positive of their type, have done at least 3 years worth of work, and are familiar with our work.

Thanks! Jeff

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We are speaking with Kristin Messegee, Christy Engle and Nicole from Austin—who work every day with anxiety, embodiment, and the inner life of Sixes. Together we walk through how Sixes relate to all three centers (heart, head, and body), what it’s like to live with a “maniacal clown” mind, and why calm can feel more dangerous than stress.

We talk about emotional detachment and positivity masks, the way Sixes outsource certainty to other people, and the work of learning which thoughts not to believe. The panel digs into somatic practice, health anxiety, over-functioning for family, and how stress nudges Sixes into a very Three-ish, outcome-driven “I’ll just do it myself” mode—alongside the shame, self-doubt, and “trash baby legs” humor that shows up there. We also name what security really feels like for Sixes: grounded bodies, present-moment awareness, a softer spiritual lens, and the courage to trust their own wisdom.

In this conversation we explore:

• The difference between feeling emotions and thinking about emotions
• What it’s like to live in your head while trying to look warm, relaxed, and positive
• How Sixes learn to spot thoughts that aren’t trustworthy
• The role of the body: over-caffeinating, overdoing, and slowly rebuilding trust with the soma
• Stress moves to Three: visibility, competence, frenzy, and “I’m the only one who sees the problem”
• Security moves to Nine: calm, present-moment practice, spirituality, and right-sizing fears

This one is packed with lived experience, concrete practices, and some very Six-flavored honesty.

This is the audio from our November workshop.

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What happens when our Enneagram type stops helping and starts hurting? In this live workshop, Katie and Jeff explore “Excess” – the low side of our core motive – and how each type ramps up its usual strategies until they begin to do damage to ourselves and the people we love.

We’re joined by folks from Texas to India to New Zealand as we define Excess, talk through our centers and stance, and then walk type by type through how this shows up in real life.

This is the first of two parts.

In this episode, you’ll hear Ones, Twos, Threes, and Fours share concrete stories of what it looks like when they overdo their motive, and how they’re learning to notice the red flags and move toward health.

In this session we cover:

• A working definition of “Excess”
• How dominant and repressed centers play into Excess for each type
• Ones in Excess: rigidity, over-responsibility, resentment, and doing what no one asked you to do
• Twos in Excess: over-managing relationships, self-righteous helping, martyrdom, and “do you still love me?” outreach
• Threes in Excess: overdoing action, self-deception, image maintenance, and losing touch with a true sense of self
• Fours in Excess: overindulging feelings, envy, dwelling vs depth, and getting stuck instead of creating
• How stance and time orientation (past/present/future) shape our version of Excess
• First steps out of Excess: courage for 4/5/9, wisdom for 1/2/6, moderation for 3/7/8

If you’ve ever thought, “I know my type… but I keep doing the same thing and it’s not working,” this one is for you. This video is Part One (Types 1–4); we’ll hit 5–9 in the next session.