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What can a first impression reveal about an artwork that rewards slow looking?
Sometimes the simplest response opens the most interesting door.

In this episode, I speak with Ally Wallace, an artist known for his observational drawings, animations, and explorations of everyday structures. His response to Mary Martin’s Wall Construction begins with instinct rather than theory, and this starting point leads into a wider reflection on how we meet abstract work for the first time.

Ally discusses the clarity and restraint in Martin’s approach, the way architectural form influences artistic thinking, and why certain works hold your attention without demanding it. His perspective brings a grounded, human quality to understanding Martin’s legacy: not just as a figure of constructivism, but as an artist whose work continues to move people quietly and directly.

This episode forms part of a wider series of conversations with artists, curators, and those connected to Mary Martin’s life and practice, each offering a different way into the ideas behind Wall Construction.

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