“I cry a lot but I am so productive, it’s an art.” This week, we’re doing a deep dive on “I Can Do It with a Broken Heart” (The Tortured Poets Department, 2024, Track 13), written by Taylor Swift and Jack Antonoff. A continuation of our Strong Women series, this episode goes line by line through one of Taylor’s most devastatingly relatable songs. We explore the rhetorical triangle of the I, the you, and the they; the “performative perkiness” of the chorus; why the poetry meter literally snaps to the beat of a performance; the crucial evidence hiding in drawers; and how dark humor becomes a coping mechanism. Whether you’re a Type A eldest daughter, a new mom, or anyone who has ever had to show up for work when their heart was broken, this one hits. Try and come for our job.

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• The Tortured Poets Department, Taylor Swift (2024)
• The Eras Tour Concert Film / Documentary
• Moulin Rouge! (2001 film)
• Harley Quinn / Birds of Prey (2020 film)
• Barbie (2023 film)

• [02:17] Verse one: “She’s having the time of her life” — glittering prime, sequined stars, and the opening twist
• [08:23] Pre-chorus: “I’m a real tough kid” — internalizing what we’re told as little girls
• [20:23] The chorus: “I’m so depressed I act like it’s my birthday every day” — dark humor as coping
• [39:24] “Try and come for my job” — who is she talking to?
• [50:54] Why this is a twofer song: the sad version and the celebration version

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"Never be so kind, you forget to be clever; Never be so clever, you forget to be kind." We're celebrating Women's History Month the only way we know how: looking at strong women in Taylor Swift’s music. Jenn traces the wisdom and boldness Taylor inherited from her grandmother in "Marjorie" (evermore, 2020), Jodi unpacks the resilience hiding in plain sight throughout "I Can Do It with a Broken Heart" (The Tortured Poets Department, 2024), and Maansi makes the case that "Eldest Daughter" (The Life of a Showgirl, 2025) is basically the anthem of every firstborn girl who had to figure it out before anyone else did. Plus: why the Iceland women's strike of 1975 worked, and why Taylor Swift might be the only person capable of organizing a global one.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• Unlikable Female Characters, Anna Bogutskaya
• Pride and Prejudice, Jane Austen
• Little Women, Louisa May Alcott
• The Hunger Games, Suzanne Collins
• Play the Patriarchy, Reductress
• "The End of an Era" Documentary
• "Marjorie," evermore (2020)
• "I Can Do It with a Broken Heart," The Tortured Poets Department (2024)
• "Eldest Daughter," The Life of a Showgirl (2025)
• Iceland Women's Strike, 1975

Episode Highlights:

[00:34] Introduction to strong women

[05:59] "Marjorie," evermore (2020)

[16:03] "I Can Do It with a Broken Heart," The Tortured Poets Department (2024)

[23:42] "Eldest Daughter," The Life of a Showgirl (2025)

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This week, we're going line by line through "Down Bad" from Taylor Swift's The Tortured Poets Department (2024). Jenn, Maansi, and Jodi unpack one of the album's most emotionally raw — and unexpectedly hilarious — songs, diving deep into its extended alien abduction metaphor, what it really means to be "down bad," and how Taylor uses sci-fi imagery to explore love bombing, power dynamics, and the messiest stages of heartbreak. We also discuss how this song connects to last week's Hero's Journey episode, why crying at the gym might be the most relatable lyric Taylor has ever written, and what the repetitive, fading outro says about the cycle of emotional abuse. Plus: cow mutilation, Kate McKinnon's SNL alien sketches, Thor and Natalie Portman, and The Other Boleyn Girl.

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Episode Highlights:

• [01:12] What does "down bad" actually mean? From Google's AI overview to Usher to Grease
• [05:50] Verse one line by line: Being beamed up, cosmic love, and the alien abduction metaphor
• [13:08] The chorus: Down bad, crying at the gym — from the cosmic to the devastatingly mundane
• [31:52] The chorus again: "Like I lost my twin" — Plato's soulmate theory and twin flames in Taylor's discography
• [34:18] The bridge: hostile takeovers, indecent exposures, and Close Encounters — loving all the red flags
• [36:20] "I'll build you a fort on some planet" — savior complex, desperation, and what fort-building actually means
• [43:35] The stages of grief in one song: is this processing, or just a very messy beginning of processing?
• [46:03] Getting to the purpose

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