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CPTB is a conversational, funny, and thoughtful take on this week’s Bible readings - for preachers, church leaders, deconstructors, and curious listeners who still love scripture, even when they’re not sure what to do with it. We explore the text with humor and theological depth, without certainty, outrage, or easy answers.

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This wasn’t the episode we planned—but it was the episode we needed.

In this very special edition of Comedians with Pastors Talking Bible, Pastors Bob Schaefer and Eric Damon are joined by our resident comic theologians, Abby Evans (@itsabbye) and Erick Williams (@comicaledubs), for an unfiltered conversation shaped by the moment we’re living in.

We begin with the national situation weighing heavily on all of us—grief, anger, analysis, prophecy, and gallows humor all sharing the same table—and wrestle with what it means to live faithfully when normal life continues alongside violence, impunity, and fear. Along the way, we talk about the “dual state,” the misuse of law, and why pretending everything is fine is not a moral option.

Then we turn to the Gospel reading—Jesus’ words about salt and light, the law and its purpose—and ask what they sound like in a world that feels increasingly on fire. What does it mean to fulfill the law? What is its telos—its true aim? And how do we keep preaching, laughing, and telling the truth without hardening our hearts or numbing our souls?

This episode is heavier than usual. It’s also honest, pastoral, and still very much CPTB: scripture read seriously, humor used carefully, and faith held without outrage or certainty-for-show.

It really is a very special episode.

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Matthew 5:13–20 (NRSVue)

[13] “You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how can its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything but is thrown out and trampled under foot. [14] “You are the light of the world. A city built on a hill cannot be hid. [15] People do not light a lamp and put it under the bushel basket; rather, they put it on the lampstand, and it gives light to all in the house. [16] In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father in heaven. [17] “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. [18] For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. [19] Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [20] For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

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