How do you hold on to delight when your days hurt and your kids are grown?
Matt sits down with Francie Green to talk about the quiet contentment of watching her daughters, Taylor and Brooke, step into adult life, the “pull up a chair” moments she doesn’t want to miss, and the honest work of choosing joy while managing chronic pain.

You’ll hear:

• Why adult kids still need you, just in different ways
• How small signals of care (a group text, a shared laugh, fresh flowers) can re-inflate a deflated day
• The faith and mindset shifts that keep fear from winning the night before a big day or trip
• Marriage on the long voyage: keeping the home fires burning while her husband travels to officiate SEC football

A gentle reminder from Francie: look for the light, especially on the dark days. It’s there.

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On the first episode of A Fiercer Delight, Matt Gordon sits down with his friend and coworker Zach Nelson, whose story travels from a “good childhood” into addiction, treatment, and hard-won recovery. Zach shares the moment that changed everything, the unexpected joys tucked inside dark seasons, and how his life now is filled with faith, family, small acts of service and yes, pickleball and Andy’s frozen custard.

It’s a conversation about hope, resilience, and the everyday practices that turn happiness into lasting joy.