Rob, Doug, Andy, and Sarah chat with Gabe Cuzzillo (Ape Out, Despelote) and Bennett Foddy (Getting Over It with Bennett Foddy, QWOP) about their (with Maxi Boch) latest game, the multi-IGF-nominated open-world hard-walking manchild simulator Baby Steps. We discuss the game's in-house approach to voice acting, balancing challenge with humor, creating (and hiding) a looping environment, telling an honest story about masculinity, including explicit content without getting banned from Steam, rock curation, secrets, and so much more!

Audio edited by Dylan Shumway

Discussed in this episode:

Baby Steps
https://www.babystepsgame.com/

Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111942/

My Summer Car
https://store.steampowered.com/app/516750/My_Summer_Car/

zk map (for stranger)
https://www.glorioustrainwrecks.com/node/11388

La belle noiseuse (1991)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101428/

Kelly Reichardt
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0716980/

Perfect Days (2023)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt27503384/

The Taste of Things (2023)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt19760052/

NYU Game Center Lecture Series Presents Jane Ng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yWIoRuwpm0

DESPELOTE: FIFTH TRAILER (now on nintendo switch)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MXKlgMZ3Jc

The Love That Remains (2025)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt33381401/

Solo (Australian ad) 1983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCkz0JsaU8k

Solo Man ad, Australia 1986
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T3RS78Tp58

Solo (Australian ad) 1984
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_1nZZrv8aU

Frog Detective 3
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1171320/Frog_Detective_3_Corruption_at_Cowboy_County/

https://secretlives.games

https://discord.gg/tslog

https://www.patreon.com/tslog