In this rowdy, reflective, and unexpectedly spiritual episode, 3/4ths of ic double (IC, CJ, & Hayden) pull up to How We Heal for a conversation that spans music, memory, and meaning. We cover the usual HWH terrain: healing, growth, and the cost of vulnerability; but also veer into their musical origins, their love for film and basketball.

IC shares a surreal story of learning chess from a one-eyed bachelor who lived next door to a chess-playing pimp, and somehow it all makes sense. We discuss the criminality of Spotify, why fans have to show up in real life, and how buying merch can literally keep artists afloat. We even touch on theology, asking the age-old question: Was Jesus the sexiest of the prophets?

We discuss:

- The bands early beginning

- Life outside the music: film, basketball, thrifting, and what fuels their art

- IC's wild chess origin story

- Reflections on healing, growth, and recovery

- Critique on Spotify: how the platform underpays artists and funds war

- Why showing up to live shows matters

- Tangible merch vs. streaming

- The power of community in the underground Portland music scene

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