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The highly anticipated sequel to 12 Rules for Life, which has sold over five million copies around the world.

In 12 Rules for Life, acclaimed public thinker and clinical psychologist Jordan B. Peterson offered an antidote to the chaos in our lives: eternal truths applied to modern anxieties. His insights have helped millions of people and resonated powerfully around the world.

Now in this long-awaited sequel, Peterson goes further, showing that part of life's meaning comes from reaching out into the domain beyond what we know and adapting to an ever-transforming world. While an excess of chaos threatens us with uncertainty, an excess of order leads to a lack of curiosity and creative vitality. Beyond Order therefore calls on us to balance the two fundamental principles of reality - order and chaos ­- and reveals the profound meaning that can be found on the path that divides them.

In times of instability and suffering, Peterson reminds us that there are sources of strength on which we can all draw: insights borrowed from psychology, philosophy and humanity's greatest myths and stories. Drawing on the hard-won truths of ancient wisdom, as well as deeply personal lessons from his own life and clinical practice, Peterson offers 12 new principles to guide listeners towards a more courageous, truthful and meaningful life.

©2021 Jordan B. Peterson (P)2021 Penguin Audio

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Helps me so much

I was in so much pain before reading this book. I was so much pain while reading this book. Inevitably, I will most likely be in pain when I wake up in the morning some time from now but I have nonetheless a renewed strength and courage to keep having a crack at it. I am trying my best to keep my head above the waves and enduring the suffering while improving my ability to withstand it and act virtuously in spite of it but it is by no means easy especially when you feel at a loss. That is why I am so grateful for JBP books :)

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More impacting than his first book.

This book hits hard. It made me profoundly uncomfortable and I wanted to turn it off several times as I felt the conviction of his words. He held a mirror up to my soul and forced me to look at it, and though I wanted to turn it off I also knew I should not look away. But now that it’s finished I realise the power of the book, because it would be good to just write a review and get back to life. Instead I must now take what I’ve leaned and live it. I have set a date to listen to the book later in the year so I can hold myself accountable. Peterson’s words disturbed me enough to want to be a better man.

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  • 08-03-2021

Thank you

I really enjoy these, books. Thank you.
Thorough beyond what I was expecting - however, saying that - that is exactly what I was expecting, and realised once I got started twenty minutes in. So glad Dr J B Peterson read the book himself, again.

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Good book reiterating the past two

The book was less “pow” and “oh my, that makes so much sense” and more “yep that was in maps of meaning” and “right that’s the last book”. So if you’ve not read either of the past two of Peterson’s books then this will be a new and awakening experience. Else you’ll still enjoy hearing the doctor talk and it’s a good message as always just not as defined. The doctor has lost that firm definition of thought and his ideas are softer. I feel he is also treading on the subjects a lightly as possible for fear of something. Maybe he needed a thirteenth rule... “when it is axiom of truth don’t be afraid” maybe he didn’t want a mass of purple hair hell creatures on his door step again.

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The book is smarter than you and that’s the point

Although I appreciate Peterson’s softening and openness to quality use like love and compassion I found the book more difficult to listen to and comprehend than what it would be by physically reading it.

The langauage used and the way it’s pieced together come across as mastabatory and a bit of putting the reader in their place as a lesser lobster if you will.

I’m an ex-Peterson acolyte, while I found great value in his teachings a few years back a lot of this stuff with the overly flowery language and dire tone stripped back is a more common sense next step to his original teachings.

If you like the flowery language cranked up to 15 then this is good but the ideas aren’t communicated for the late person, if you take the 4+ sylablyed words out its missing coherent through line apart from “don’t be a piece of shit”

Thanks daddy P. I’m so happy you’re doing better but I cannot recommend the book.

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Too Padded Out

Essentially feels like Peterson has some great points as in the first 12 rules, the problem is the padding between is over the top. There is less concise information, and Peterson is forced to use anecdotes, stories, and repeat himself more than in prior works. This feels less fleshed out and more repetitive.

The steps themselves are great, but not up to the high standards he set in the first 12 Rules. I wish him all the best, and I'd say this is still worth the read, but rarely are sequels as good as the original, and unfortunately that hits home here too.

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Inspiring reading.

Another masterpiece form Dr. Jordan B. Peterson. 12 more rules for life is the consequential continuation of his previous work aimed to assist people in getting their way through the fog and suffering of life, by recognizing one's own worth through the discovery of tools already available and the learning of others which are shown to be of reach.

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a good book for fans

though not as good as his first book, or as good as his biblical lecture series, or the podcasts from his speaking tour. it is worth getting as there is extra content not covered in the above mentioned series.

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JP does it again!

Thoroughly enjoyed listening to such well written and thought provoking work. Brilliant follow up to 12 rules for life.

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I will be re-listening soon!

I bought this months ago and I chose to listen to it last week for the first time. It's exactly what I needed to hear at the time! My life does literally need to be beyond order. I need to put one foot in chaos once more. However, this book needs a second more careful study once I've applied the lessons learned. So I'm definitely buying the hard copy too. Thank you Dr Peterson

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  • Angela Shearer
  • 22-04-2021

sobering, inspiring and necessary

Whenever I need a good taking to, I listen to one of Jordan Petersons audiobooks. They help me become unstuck from places I do not want to dwell in. So much tremendous wisdom.

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  • 13-04-2021

One of the rare times a sequel does not disappoint

I was worried that I would not like the 2nd installment given the precedent set by JP.
I can't say it's better, however, I can't say it's worse. It's just great in its own way like the other two books.

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  • Kindle Customer
  • 09-04-2021

Engaging

Never dissapoints, always invoking deep thought to the "mundane".
Makes one take their own behaviors, ideas, and perceptions more seriously or atleast unravels them.
Thank you

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  • Misheck Lusungu Kumwenda
  • 11-03-2021

insightful

took me a week to listen to it because there was so much I had to think about and understand carefully. no doubt will be giving this book another listen in the future. glad the author read it himself despite the challenges he was facing.

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  • Vinícius Farias
  • 09-10-2021

Ok, here we go.

First, Jordan remains excessively verbose when he could deliver the same message in a much more simpler manner. It feels as if a teenager is trying to sound smart to his English teacher. Marcus Aurelius’ writings as well as Seneca’s for example, are much more straightforward and deep ( truly deep and original I mean ), they are good writers to learn from.
As for the reading, Jordan’s uneven and unstable Mickey Mouse voice is utterly annoying and I know for a fact the book would be much more enjoyable if read by someone with a good voice, take Eva Green for example (Not that she would read it, just an example).
As for the story, I know Jordan is pretty much a preacher for writers and principles that died long before he was born not bringing much of his own other than his own personal experiences but, it gets rough to listen to the same bible stuff and quotes by Russian writers every one have heard about over and over again.

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  • Kindle Customer
  • 02-10-2021

Strong headings, weak arguments

Excellent principles are followed by weak arguments without sufficient evidence. There is just enough moments of brilliance and clarity to continue with this book to the end. Unfortunately science, logic and reason play second fiddle to Harry Potter, Disney and proverbial dragons.

With respect to the author, you are unlikely to miss out by reading the headings and skipping the book.

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  • Tonya Pierre-Gopaul
  • 24-09-2021

Even better than expected

Having been a follower of Dr Peterson’s videos for a while I had an idea of what to expect, but I must say this book was a real wake up call and exceeded my expectations. I really enjoyed the heartfelt narration by the author as well. Well written, insightful, poetic at times and well worth a read (or listen).

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  • Jeffrey Kendall
  • 15-09-2021

Brilliant advice for those who...

Take personal responsibility for their own lives.

I enjoyed this as much as 12 Rules. Well worth it!

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  • Anonymous User
  • 27-07-2021

When you don't know what to do

Very intriguing. Dr Peterson is a teacher and his words pierce into my day to day life. He got me addicted to him. I like the way he backs up his theories with real life situations.This book will stay on my book shelf for my future great great sons


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  • Jason
  • 07-06-2021

Another great price of work

I thoroughly enjoyed this 2nd installment of 12 rules, easily as much as the first. Dr Peterson again manages to articulate so well the things we don't know that we know about life.

I found myself laughing out loud at some of the dry wittiness, which I don't recall so much from the earlier volume. This possibly a result if increased confidence on the part of Dr Peterson given his extraordinary success.

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  • Matthew Sutcliffe
  • 04-03-2021

Too much religion for me

I enjoyed the first book for the most part as it had some intriguing insights into society, politics, psychology, and anthropology. However, I found this sequel to be more focused towards self-help than its predecessor (which is fine if that is to your taste, though I'm personally not very keen on the genre). Nevertheless, there were some interesting ideas and anecdotes, and I did enjoy listening to much of the book.

My biggest issue with the book, however, was the recurring religious content within it. While I admittedly have a particular aversion to religion, I can nevertheless appreciate the symbolism and storytelling underpinning historical myths. But parts of this book went beyond that scope and acclaimed religion and God and their place in society. I felt this almost undermined the more logically reasoned and scientific parts of the book (of which there were fewer than in its predecessor).

In short, if you enjoyed the first book, I expect you will likely enjoy much of this one too, but be warned it is more self-help oriented and contains more religious content and less political commentary.

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  • Anonymous User
  • 02-03-2021

Masterpiece

This men saved my life, he has an incredible way of seeing the world. 10/10 recomend it to everyone

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  • Eoghan O'Sullivan
  • 11-03-2021

Wonderful.

You don't have to worshipfully hang by JBP's every word as some do, nor believe him to be evil incarnate as do others. Simply take the man for what he is; earnest, thoughtful, well-informed well-intentioned, and a truly great communicator. Beyond Order. Perhaps beyond polarisation. A wonderful read.

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  • Martin Bak
  • 02-03-2021

Amazing, Life Changing

Just got through the second Rule and even with me having high expectations, this book has not disappointed me. This is a perfect sequel to the previous book and is just as eye-opening and engaging as that was. Jordan is one of the greatest intellectuals of our lifetime and is an absolute privilege to be able to listen/read more of his work. Life has no happy ending, but this book opens your eyes to finding positives and strength in the inevitable chaos of our existence at a personal level. I have nothing but respect for this great man.

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  • James S
  • 02-03-2021

A significant book

You should listen to it and you should read it, preferably at the same time so you can remember those wise words. These are deep, profound and universally applicable wisdom, regardless your ethnicity, age and social background. These help me become a fulfilled human being and they are like a mental foundation that is cemented in my mind.

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  • Tom
  • 04-03-2021

Not disappointed. Really enjoyed this listen.

I feel as if Jordan Peterson is misunderstood by many. On the face of it his message seems harsh and perhaps macho but if you take the time to really listen you’ll realise that he’s just trying to make the best of things the way we all should. Many of us do and many of us appreciate a helping hand when it’s offered. Call me naive but I think he cares and I think he’s been wrestling with things for most of his life. Just my opinion but I am, after a lot of reading and listening to lots of different people, a big fan. This is another great book brilliantly narrated

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  • Tash
  • 08-03-2021

deeply personally

just as good as the first one. the most appealing part is for me that he has so much personal experience and that he is applying his own advice to his own world. no hypocrisy. just truthful life lesson on how to be a better person. some parts hit hard.

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  • Abbi Orchard
  • 03-03-2021

Thank you Dr Peterson

You’ve done it again; I’ll look forward to listening over and over again. Thank you for more words of wisdom. Best wishes to you and your family.

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  • Anonymous User
  • 06-03-2021

Truly motivational and thought provoking

I thoroughly enjoyed the book. The narrative voice switches between storyteller, clinical psychologist and philosophical analyst giving a grounded, realistic and personal interpretation of each rule. I honestly think 'Beyond Order' is a more mature book than the first volume (12 rules for life), something which Dr. Peterson has endeavoured to achieve and in my mind has accomplished. The book resonated greatly with me and I can't seem to stop asking myself questions about my own life, so much so, that I started listening to some of the chapters again in an effort to distill the knowledge even further. I highly recommend for those wondering if they should pick it up where I should mention that the first volume is not a prerequisite, but it is a great addition nonetheless.

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  • 20-03-2021

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