Welcome back everyone. I'm proud to say we bring you a special episode today.

I interviewed Dr. Kelly Monaghan, a researcher (and former leader at Upwork and Meta) and advisor to Fortune 1000 companies, about AI’s impact on workplace culture and the future of work.

Keep an ear out for my 7 hidden gems in this podcast 1. The "Power Paradox" of AI Adoption2. The Risk of "AI Peer Pressure"3. "Digital Exhaust" as a Competitive Advantage4. The Threat to "Expertise Dignity"5. Playing "Checkers vs. Chess" with Headcount6. The "Pilot" vs. the "Checkout" Model7. The $1-for-$1 Investment Rule

These are packed full of leadership advice and positive steps!

The areas you will love:

Rethink Business: Kelly argues generative AI should prompt leaders to rethink business purpose beyond shareholder maximisation, warning of a crossroads between human flourishing and inequality-driven displacement.

AI Is Transformation: She emphasises AI adoption is primarily a prioritisation and change-management challenge, not just tooling, and uses her “elevator/skyscraper” analogy to push leaders toward workflow redesign rather than doing the same work faster with fewer people.

Human First Approach: We discuss preserving human decision-making (e.g., pilots, human checkout), risks of agentic AI increasing complexity and governance/legal exposure (e.g., healthcare claims), and research showing heavy AI users may trust AI over colleagues, potentially eroding workplace connection.

The AI Business Metrics: Kelly advises defining AI skills, measuring readiness, focusing on growth metrics like revenue per employee, clarifying company purpose and AI principles, and investing in upskilling alongside technology.

Kelly also has a forthcoming book coming out called “Reclaim the Plot” and it sounds like the perfect way to address work issues.

Please connect with Kelly below

• Personal site - https://drkellymonahan.com/
• Company site - https://www.beyondthedesk.com/
• LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-monahan-ph-d-18879413/

As it is an AI Moment interview here are the chapters to go through if you are short on time:

00:00 Meet Dr Kelly

01:03 AI Purpose and Workforce

03:06 Adoption Guardrails and Priorities

05:41 Elevator Moment Workflow Redesign

07:11 Human in the Loop and Agentic Risks

17:05 Remote Work Politics and Power

27:04 Reclaim the Plot

29:30 HR Takes Back the Layoff Story

32:34 Metrics That Value People

38:47 Align on Purpose and Principles

41:34 Human And/Plus AI To Improve Work

43:30 Three Leadership Principles