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• 0:00 - Intro
• 1:55 – How to use the tax code to get in better position
• 2:51 – How 401(k)s replaced pensions (why it mattered)
• 6:20 – Tax advantages of non-W2 income & retirement accounts
• 9:08 – Long-term asset allocation & bitcoin in retirement
• 13:12 – Using Roth conversions during bitcoin drawdowns
• 21:10 – How taxes create massive long-term performance drag
• 22:39 – Borrowing against bitcoin instead of selling
• 28:29 – Inflation, deflation, & why government data lags reality
• 33:15 – What macro headwinds mean for assets and portfolios
• 36:38 – Bitcoin IRA tools, incentives, & next steps