The following guests sit down with host Justin White:

• Eric Katz, Independence Home Loans
• Michael Cain and Tracy Campagna, SD Mortgage Couple
• Craig Snell, Milestone Mortgage Solutions
• Carrie Gusmus, Aslan Home Lending
• David Kakish, Anchor Home Loans


Highlights From Our 5 Most Downloaded Episodes of 2025

How to nail the first 90 seconds of a sales call. Attracting real estate agents through social media. Educating clients to avoid getting rate-shopped. Equipping new loan originators with tools for sustained success. Earning business instead of asking for it. These were the topics we covered in our most popular podcast episodes of the year. You’ll hear something from each of those conversations on Episode #112, Good. Better. Broker.’s Best of 2025.

In this episode of the Good. Better. Broker. podcast, you’ll hear clips from our most downloaded episodes of the year.


In this episode, we discuss ...

• 0:47 – tips for having successful sales calls
• 3:54 – standing out to real estate agents on Instagram
• 6:28 – providing value to borrowers through education
• 8:57 – providing new LOs with tools to get business
• 12:17 – how to earn business from real estate agents instead of asking for it


Show Contributors:

Eric Katz
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Michael Cain and Tracy Campagna
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Craig Snell
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Carrie Gusmus
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David Kakish
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Justin White is UWM’s in-house brand journalist and the host of the daily news video, Inside Pass. He creates engaging content across multiple platforms to promote the benefits of the wholesale channel and partnering with UWM. A seven-time Emmy-award winner, Justin is a graduate of the S.I. Newhouse School of Public Communications at Syracuse University.

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