In this special Fearless Diversity episode, we press pause on the culture war and lean into a quieter kind of courage: listening.

Rachel and Simon are joined by Jacqui Gavin BEM, a trans woman, former civil servant and long-time equality campaigner, for a deeply human conversation about growing up as Scott in 1970s Scotland, beginning transition as a teenager, and what it means to describe being trans not as an identity but as a process.

Across the hour, they explore:

• The nine-year-old who “wanted to find the girl” and the 21-year-old stepping out with fear and liberation to live as a female.
• Why Jacqui calls herself “female with a trans history” and how she still lovingly carries Scott with her.
• What both sides of the sex and gender debate get wrong about each other, and why Jacqui sees herself not as a fighter but as a bridge-builder.
• Letting children be children, respecting women’s boundaries, and learning to “earn your place in the world” through mutual respect, not demands.

This is not a shouting match about policy. It’s three people, in a conversation, talking honestly about fear, dignity, belonging and how to stay human when the world is loud, angry, and certain.

If you’ve ever felt confused, anxious, or silenced by the noise around sex and gender, this gentle, thoughtful episode is an invitation: you’re allowed to just ask.

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