Nick Cohen talks to and Ronan McCrea about the current state and future challenges of the gay rights movement. Ronan expressed concerns about the potential reversal of LGBTQ+ gains due to weakening secular and liberal forces, arguing that the movement's expansion beyond gay rights has become counterproductive and risks alienating straight allies. The discussion concluded with Ronan emphasising the need for continued vigilance and moderate strategies to maintain long-term gay rights gains, while acknowledging the challenges of balancing conservative and liberal approaches in an evolving political landscape.

Andrew and Ronan discussed the scheduling of a program to air at the end of October, prioritizing it over live political news. They then delved into the topic of gay rights, with Ronan expressing concern that the gains of the past 60 years could be reversed due to the weakening of broader forces such as secularism and liberalism. Ronan emphasized the importance of maintaining the unprecedented freedom already achieved rather than pushing for further expansions of the LGBTQIA+ agenda, which he believes could make the movement more vulnerable to setbacks.

Ronan warns, "It's really dangerous for us, because it's not only in the US Interestingly in the UK, in France, the numbers of people who say that homosexuality is morally acceptable are now declining.

For the first time in 40 years, they've been, they had been just steadily rising. Rising, rising. you know, the, the change is not yet huge, but there is a kind of, there's a definite change. It's no longer rising. It's falling, and we are, people are much more vulnerable than the gay People are much more vulnerable than they realise".

Ronan adds "All of the political dynamics are, are, are now that were, that had sustained the gay rights movement and given it energy for 50 years are now fading." He says of LGBTQ+ campaigner, " by making gay rights appear part of a movement that challenges all their, all conservatives cherished norms. They make gay rights their top target, and they alienate moderate conservative support that the gay rights

movement absolutely will need to be long term viable."

Gays rely on straight majority for their rights

Ronan articulates a tragic fact about gay people and theirn reliancer on the straight majority for their rights. " it'd be lovely if gay people could say, screw you. We're not gonna think about what straight people think of us, " he says. We're just gonna get on and, and determine our own future. But until they find they form some gay micro state, that's not gonna happen. That's just the tragic reality of gay politics. We will always depend on what I call in the book, the Kindness of Strangers, and that is. I think the straight, the straight majority."

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Ronan McCrea @RonanMcCrea is professor of constitutional & European law at @ucl His book 'The End of the Gay Rights Revolution - How Hubris and Overreach Threaten Gay Freedom is published by @politybooks

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